STEINER WALDORF SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS

[theantignome]

hi everyone, i wanted to start a new thread with a NEW topic heading here, as the active one at the moment with over 700 posts looks like it is all about the Cambridge school. This may confuse newcomers.

Let's continue the debate here !
All newcomers welcome !

I will shortly link our two previous threads on MN for any one new to have a look at.

Davy, could you also give a link to your new yahoo list here please ? Thanks.

oh, i find this thread too late alas

"Can you do that!? You mean arguments aren't enough??"

Since when have you offered any arguments?
Assertions along the lines of 'Steiner said' (the substance of most of your references) are only incontrovertible to the already converted, or, to those willing to surrender their own critical faculties.
Ever thought of answering questions in plainspeak?
What did the Edinburgh parents misunderstand?

ease- wellsaid. Sune the bee rarely has any discussion or debate; he seems incapable of the simplest discourse, unable to engage in any deliberation, but links to his fatuous sites.
Sune, thebee, you know perfectly well that you have tried to follow me from blogs and other chat boards which have no connection to here, and where I have used nicknames to protect the anonymity of my children.
You have gone beyond the bounds of internet courtesy.
I can only assume this is because you are hell bent on a kind of personal damage, rather than keeping the discussion within the realms and limits of intellectual and logical argument.
Of course, this is your chosen way of modus opperandi- as proved in your vitriolic attacks on the well respected and erudite academic Peter Staudenmaier- who you devote web pages to (!) and even wrote to his University- one of the best in the States- Cornell, to try to discredit him to his peers.
Nothing surprise me as to how low and desperate your actions are.
Because you are unable to win the argument with above board means, you sink to the lowest personal tactics- a classic sign of a loser.

Monkey- It's never too late!

Sune thebee about your stalking and personal attacks, - I think I only once mentioned another discussion on the list. What I do based on the list? - doesn't make sense.
I don't do antything "based" on the list- what are you talking about?
I write my own personal story, and how we as a family have been affected by the secrecy surrounding anthroposohy in Steiner education That's what I "base" anything I write on.

When we found out that many things that happened to our kids were because their teachers had been rigidly following Rudolf Steiner's beliefs, we were horrified. One of my children in particular, had been singled out because she is slightly darker skinned, my husband having Jewish/Aisan roots. When I read Steiner's beliefs about the blonde and aryan race being superior to other lower ones, and many other of his race theories, I realised why.
This was only one of many many instances at the school, where teachers used Steiner's theories and beliefs about reincarnation, temperaments, spiritual worlds and clairvoyance, as -"educational"- indoctrinational spiritual preparation for the transition to the earth's next epoch.
That's what I base it on Sune, and yes, it does interest me, because it has j=had such a great impact on the people I love the most.
But love probably mean little, in your world of warped spirituality.

Meant to put "I visit"- it wasn't an order to visit it!

I know nothing about SW Northernrefugee, so can't really comment. Just seems to resemble any amount of other quasi-religious tyranny. The more MN's know about it the better. Congratulations!

Monkey- you are exactly spot on
Thankyou
We do get stick for going on about it;
Ithink it's important to expose these things so others don't get seduced.

xxxxx/Northernrefugee39, you write:

"you know perfectly well that you have tried to follow me from blogs and other chat boards which have no connection to here, and where I have used nicknames to protect the anonymity of my children"

The first time I noted your anti-Waldorf writings were on the WC-list, where you write under your maiden name. I have later also noted your comments, using your first name at the blog of Zzoey, and later also have noted comments by you, using your full maiden name, I think, at one of the blogs of "Anthromama", also here.

On the WC-list, you have commented on your participation here, where you post under the nick name "Northernrefugee39". You also may have written using another nick name, before (and maybe also after) you created a sock puppet in support of yourself, that claimed to so far (in contrast to you) only have been lurking, but failed to log in using the sock puppet name, and instead used your non-lurking nick name "Northernrefugee39.

In these forums, people from the WC-crew have told about their added raids to the TES forum, and the BBC parenting forum as part of their and your anti-Waldorf crusade in different forums. The TES discussion was deleted due to one or two instances of libel. The discussion on the BBC-board was closed by its moderators, on their own initiative, seemingly due to provocative violation of their board rules, and the account of "townielite"(?) (one on the WC-crew) was deleted.

After your participation here, you have challenged me to find three more discussion boards, where you participate.

I have noted your participation in some forum discussions, where you use partly different nick names. In one of them, I have addressed one posting by you, and the discussion has dried out. In another forum, you posted so much in all threads related to WE, that your postings seem to have been deleted completely from one thread, regarded as spam. Another thread has been closed, and will be deleted in some days. The reason for this, given on behalf of the moderation team, is to protect the future of the forum and it's users. I have not written anything in the forum, and have not been in contact with its moderators. Someone else wrote to me about your participation in the second mentioned board.

As members of the WC-crew have addressed me in here in these discussions using my first resp. full name instead of my nick name, I have found it to be proper to address you too, using your first names, and in the case of Zooey and Diana also one or some times including the family name.

I have only done this for the described reason, not - in your case - to hurt your children, and have never used your full maiden name here in these discussions. I have also not tried to find out where you live.

Regards,

Sune- by posting this, you illustrate perfectly what i have been saying. That you have followed and stalked me around the net- guessing and weevling and trying to find out if it's me or not? Do you get some sort of peverted gratification from this? because I ca only assume that you do.
Ypui certainly do yourself no favours by advertising the fact that you have found out my maiden name, and have followed from site to site, discussion board to blog, guessinf , and trying to wield some sort of pathetic power by or proof.

And the- good grief- it turns out you have spies too- who write to you! Proving even more that the anthroposophical machine is parenoid and intent on supressing any one telling an experience that doesn't fit in with their lies.

And yes- it -is- -harming- my kids by posting my namr here- I have asked you time and time again not to post it on here, and you ignore it.
Shame on you.

The fact that you say you haven';t tried to find out where I live WHAT? Who said that? What the hell are you talking about?
The fact it's even on your mind is freaky.

You obviously are trying to find out which school my kids were at, but to talk about where I live....[hmn]

So- thebee- are you going to answer my questions?
Do you have children- actually I seem to remeber you posting that you don't
Have you any experience of steiner education?
Strange- that you don't answer this one- you have websites purporting to answer questions about it- and yet you have no children and have no experience.
Anyone would think you were a fanatical cult follower, bent on promoting his religious cult at the cost of all actuality wouldn't they?

If you're referring to a recent dicussion board- you haven't put the whole truth have you Sune?
In your usual way- you have ommitted the full picture- it was ORIGIONALLY thought of as spam- but then realised it was a "hot topic" and aroused so much interest- more in fact than the particular board had had for a very long time. Many people came on and begged for it to be reinstated; it actually caused a huge stir didn't it sune?
I thought it was brilliant- they nearly had a riot on their hands- and it won't be forgotten either- so man people saw and were watching it- you could monitor how many - it had a count.

And then someone scared the owner of the board didn't they?
It was causing such a stir, and the board felt threatened by someone or something.

The anthroposophists only go on and on to prove that they have something very big to hide by this.

And your actions just exacerbate it.
I'm surprised the gotheneum doesn't gag you to be honest- you do more harm than good for your cause.

Sune thebee- you don't I note, ever make a comment on the reasons i feel secrecy and anthroposohy has to be in the open.
Or the way my kids were treated.
Never
You just make totally irrelevant personal attacks, or trying to prove you know my maiden name or which blogs I read- WHAT? It's irrelevant- it's not your business.
Just as you have to Diana, Zooey and all the others who disagree with you.

"As members of the WC-crew have addressed me in here in these discussions using my first resp. full name instead of my nick name, I have found it to be proper to address you too, using your first names, and in the case of Zooey and Diana also one or some times including the family name."

As you very well know, neither of us have used several names. Neither of us have pretended to be someone we're not in order to point people to a number of web pages that are really our own, and not as independent as you like your web sites to seem. Only you do those things.

You would never have told people you are the person responsible for thebee.se, waldorfanswers, and americans4waldorf (and lots of the material on wiki as well) unless we had been here to disclose this. You called yourself Eva and directed people to your supposedly independent sites for "information."

I don't think we have any other option but tell people who you are. One way to do this is to tell them your name isn't Eva but something else which they will find on these sites when looking closer.

I on the other hand did tell people the name of my blog, and I have also made it clear that I'm active on the critics' list, from the moment I came here. Never did I try to assume another name and point to my own web site endevour as if it were independent (or something else it isn't for that matter).

communalism.net/Archive/13/ae.print.php

Oh- yes Zooey- I forgot that- maybe Sune just goes around threatening these chat boards with legal action at will.

Something buig to hide have you sune?

Lots of secretive esoteric knowledge about the reincaration of Manu?

Northern, he IS a fanatical cult follower Not only is it a cult, but Sune is among the most fanatical followers!

and why didn't the work, I was putting it in bold* text I thought

there it worked. Annoying.

"The first time I noted your anti-Waldorf writings were on the WC-list, where you write under your maiden name. "

Sune, this just really really really pisses me off.

What right do you have to do this? It's creepy, and I think you should realize eventually you're going to freak somebody out bad enough that they're going to take legal action against you for this.

How in hell would you know what's her maiden name versus any other name if you aren't basically stalking her around?

If people use different identities on different sites online, they have their reasons, whether it's personal preference, keeping professional life separate from hobbies or other interests, or fear for their family's safety and privacy. Trying to connect them and post information on someone's different identities used different places comes very close to stalking or harassment IMO.

Even if no legal authority eventually tells you to stop, you should realize you make anthroposophy look like it's full of nutters.

"After your participation here, you have challenged me to find three more discussion boards, where you participate."

And you don't have the smarts to figure out you're being - well - given more rope to hang yourself with?

On wikipedia he made a number of completely inappropriate comments indicating he had tried to research where I worked. He was trying to imply that because I (at the time) worked freelance, I could have been using multiple computers.

Why in the world it would be of interest to him or readers of wikipedia even if I did use multiple computers (which at the time I didn't, as I worked from home) was never explained. It's just a day's work to him "researching" anybody who criticizes anthroposophy or Steiner schools. He probably has a little file of your different online names and sites you have frequented, northern.

The only part that's funny is: having a lot of sophisticated computer software and "tracking" capabilities doesn't make a person smart enough to figure out what it all means. He collects all this information but he really struggles to connect the dots, and sometimes he comes up with some very funny confused information.