STEINER WALDORF SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS

[theantignome]

hi everyone, i wanted to start a new thread with a NEW topic heading here, as the active one at the moment with over 700 posts looks like it is all about the Cambridge school. This may confuse newcomers.

Let's continue the debate here !
All newcomers welcome !

I will shortly link our two previous threads on MN for any one new to have a look at.

Davy, could you also give a link to your new yahoo list here please ? Thanks.

justa- that's interesting, because we were talking about how Steiner anthros etc have an incredibly inflated conceipt- a complacence that they "know" and none of us do. The children are always praised as having such confidence, but it's not really- it's the fact that they've been told all their life that they're "special"-( because they're spritually superior and will be saved when the earth moves through it's epochs)

Janni- yes- it's quite a sane discussion- he won't manage to get it deleted- just bore everyone off the thread.
It's the other one that's quite interesting- but I'm not linking to it to give it more of a chance to evolve without sune barging in.

The people on there seem to know what they're talking about- and some had come to all the same conclusions as us- without even seeing the plans, chase or ease sites.
One poster just contacted me off post to say how brilliant it was to read the stories on there because it was what she knew and felt for years, and was amazed that there were more people who felt the same.

There's a huge number of people out there just like her too. People who have never heard of hate groups realising Steiner waldorf is a front for the anthroposophic cult all on their own...{shock]

Oh sune- I know this must be so tantalising for you...

"the reason for removing them was trolling, the same way you and others from the WC-crew do here at MN since long, which btw violates MN policies too ... "

Hello!! This is a British parenting forum. Are you a British parent Sune? These are mothers discussing their children's schooling. Who exactly is trolling here? Whew.

Oh yes Sune- ONCE I came on with a different name- I was useless at doing it- I pressed the wrong button- (some of us don't spend all day on the computer like you do- we have other things to do as well, families, work, friends, in the real world, not anthroworld)
I admitted my mistake, I blushed, apologised and moved on.

You are paranoid that everyone's pretending to be someone else.

Oh Sune- perhaps everyone on here who criticises Steiner Waldorf is the same person- yes- I'm really Barking, Janni, Zooey, Diana,kneedeep, Justa, donot,Jamsam,kewcumber, Coted'azure,- Crikey- there are alot of Steiner critics aren't there?

And on the other chat board I quoted from earlier- there are lots more critics- it's an escalating phenonomon isn't it?

And the defenders are? mmmnnn- oh yes, Sune and Lush....

Moving on is something anthroposophists are incapable of doing- they cannot jettison their retrogressive ideas, but hang on and on to the clairvoyant ravings of their guru; no ideas of their own, no creativity, just anthrobots.

and Lush didn't reappear after her hate-filled rant at me because not even Sune backed her up and the other Steiner supporter, the perfectly decent Stripey, said she was totally out of order.

Oh, no, Northern, you've outed me - I don't exist

That was a weird first message by Sune on that other board. Dmoz open directory, google, blah blah - what?!

Zooey- I thought that too- his new tactic to dicredit Plans ..eerk.. twat... he doesn't get that people see all these links and names, and can't be bothered. He doesn't understand that these boards are for interaction, conversation, ideas argument. Well- I'm sure I've NEVER been guilty of posting great swathes of stuff.......

People only occasionally want to read great tomes of stuff, but not in the general run of these discussions. They want talk.
He must be unpractised at real conversation, except perhaps with the people who sell him chicken burgers when he gets down wid da kidz and groovi. The rest of the day he must be glued to the 'puter.

Nah- Lush Phoenix won't be back this time. She really blew it. Even the people who pop in to tell us to bogg off on our Steiner rocket to space came down on her for that last outburst.

justa- that's true.With Steiner people there's no give atall, no sitting back and considering that what someone else might believe has any validity whatsoever.

But that is so typical of anthroworld- they know, they're right, everyone else is inferior and to be pitied.

xxxxx/Northernrefugee39 on me:

"he doesn't get that people see all these links and names, and can't be bothered."

The statistics for the pages linked to indictate that many people read them the first time they see them. I repeate them here in between for newcomers, and to tease you, Zooey and some others of course ;-))

And at times as a reminder that they address issues raised here, and that I already have pointed to that.

"The statistics for the pages linked to indictate that many people read them the first time they see them. I repeate them here in between for newcomers, and to tease you, Zooey and some others of course"

What statistics might these be then? How heavy is your tracking Sune? Should people run a clean-up immediately after visiting these sites? The tracker on my site only gives me country of origin and Service Provider. That's all I want, how about you?
Davy

He's full of it Davy, he makes stuff up. Or if, somehow, some way, he's sitting at his computer trying to determine "statistics" for who looks at his pages on what date and time, he's crazier than we thought.

Well, I don't know Diana, but I have wondered if there might be a financial aspect to the number of hits on these sites of Sune. FWIW, I don't get anything other than thinking that if I help people make an informed choice, I have done all I set out to do. Other than that, I'll say that various costs of the site total around £1000 per year which I bear on my own, so it does help a little to see that some people are at least listening, whatever their final decision might be.
Davy

Does anyone know if there are any Steiner schools that aren't completely into the anthro stuff behind the scenes ?

I'm a bit worried about one of ds's friends from pre-school who went to the local Steiner school, I think I'll get in touch with his parents again and see if they are interested in meeting up. Ds asked about him only the other day

The most dishonest thing Sune does is point to web sites over and over saying for instance "This is documented here," without explaining up front that it is his site. He pretends it is some kind of independent source that will confirm what he is saying, when it's mostly material he wrote himself. Most people I'm sure do figure this out, but it isn't necessarily obvious on first glance, it's not like his name is all over those pages. And of course, people don't expect that the same person is behind 3 or 4 different sites.

For the record, "Thebee," "Waldorf Answers," and "Americans4Waldorfeducation" all trace back to Sune Nordwall. Probably some other sites too, but those are the ones he'll admit to.

He's also had a heavy hand in the content at wikipedia, so pointing there as if it were an objective, independent source is also disingenuous.

We have to suspect he quotes himself over and over again because he can't source things to independent sources. In addition to the hanging questions about the many unsourced quotes on his web sites, a few days ago he wrote:

"In Germany, the number of pupils at Waldorf schools who 2005 lived in a divided home with just one parent is markedly greater (36,1%) than the average for all schools in Germany (29,6%)."

and I asked:

I'm curious what is the source of that statistic, Sune?

• and that seems to have stumped him.

"I'm curious what is the source of that statistic, Sune?"

Akashic Record?

Akashic record- Davy

Sune thebee, if gnomes had smaller noses , perhaps they could see past them....

So linking to your ludicrously deceptive sites is to tease?
Just like we tease you? Oh how jolly....

I think it's a bit more serious than that actually- the whole business of deception , racism and lies fabricated by the anthroposophists.

And that's why I will do all I can to expose it.
Our family suffered at the hands of the steiner mob, and so did many more.
You may think that protecting your cherished belief is little more than a game, a way to while away the hours on the internet with your fatuous discontented little quotes and sites. I can see it's obviously your life's work- do you have any other occupation?

But I also enjoy ribbing you. So do carry on-I don't give a toss. And it makes you look more than ridiculous.

So- all the people who you claim have looked at your site- where are they here? It hardly changed their minds did it?

SItdownplease- No - some Steiner schools cover it up more than others. Some attempt to argue with the main anthroposophist players that they are out of date etc.....But if they call themselves a Steiner School, they follow the clairvoyant beliefs of Rudolf Steiner. The curriculums are near identical all over the world. the wet on wet painting, rote learning by boredom, same teacher to copy from. Same rituals, samr advent spiral, same task of St Michael, same astral planes and etheric bodies, same gnomes, same fluff and nonsense.

The discussion going on on another chat board, (which I'm not linking to because of Sune )has more replies and viewing than any other has had there since September.

It's aroused alot of interest, and brought many people in- some saying how they agree and it's high time it was out, and some saying they're extremely interested to see this side of Steiner Waldorf being discussed.

The press take an interest in these things, and use it as a guage, so maybe it'll catch someone's attention.

And Davy, Sune owns quite a large number of (unused) internet domains. For exemple "steinerkritik.se" and many more. (You could easily guess what kinds of word combos he finds threatening!!) (kritik=critic/-s)