STEINER WALDORF SCHOOLS AND INSTITUTIONS

[theantignome]

hi everyone, i wanted to start a new thread with a NEW topic heading here, as the active one at the moment with over 700 posts looks like it is all about the Cambridge school. This may confuse newcomers.

Let's continue the debate here !
All newcomers welcome !

I will shortly link our two previous threads on MN for any one new to have a look at.

Davy, could you also give a link to your new yahoo list here please ? Thanks.

Come, come, Zooey. I assure you Waldorf education is all about beeswax and blessings, oatmeal and knitting and Maypole dancing. Calm yourself dear, you were just not fully incarnated or you would not be upset to learn of evil races with marked faces. The kindly Waldorf teacher will protect you. There is no "agenda" other than "preserving childhood."

I wrote:

Perhaps we will find that Sune has been updating his web site(s) with full source information on those quotes.

I guess I forgot the here.

Hi Eva or should we call you Manu?

There is a secret agenda Eva and you know it.
Steiner wrote much about the task and goal to get occult science to people whatever the method, so stop trying to deflect from what you know is true.
You are living proof of it, following people around and trying (trying being the operative word, because it patently isn't working) to draw the attention away from the truth.

And if we had had an inkling of what anthroposophywas about, we wouldn't have gone near a Steiner school.

They lie and deceive.

There's a thread just started here about someone who's removed their kid from Steiner, because they were bullied and the child felt unsafe.
The Mother is furious because the teacher did nothing.
Sound familiar?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/1373/498059?stamp=080319000047

Where is the story about the family who had the terrible experience , and the mum wrote a poem? "She stands alone"
Do you know the one I mean?
It's similar to this story on the other thread.
This is going on all the time.
It's making me livid, they need to be stopped! The schools should be closed down.

Here's the story about the family who had the terrible experience, and the mum wrote a poem.
www.waldorfeducation.me.uk/

Does Waldorf education have an agenda? Yes, the present Chairman and CEO of American Express, former Waldorf pupil, describes it well. If asked about it, so would probably also the present Prime Minister of Norway, former Waldorf pupil and son of a former Norwegian Minister of Foreign Affairs, the present Minister for the Environment of Sweden, son of a Waldorf pioneer (and anthroposophist), a son of Helmuth Kohl, former German Chancellor and former Waldorf pupil (the son, not the father ...), the children (former Waldorf pupils) of Hans-Dietrich Genscher, former German Minister of Foreign Affairs and a number of other former Waldorf pupils.

How about the sites linked to by Margaret Sachs and some others here in this discussion?

The small anti-Waldorf fringe hate type of group in SF/CA, where Alicia AKA "Zzoey" sits on the board, and she, DianaW and "Northernrefugee39" belong to the most fervent participants on its discussion list, encourages every single (on more or less well founded grounds) dissatisfied former Waldorf parent or co-worker at a Waldorf school or Camphill home they come upon to if possible set up a website of their own and some do.

There are some 950+ Waldorf schools incl Waldorf teacher training colleges and maybe some 1.600 Waldorf Kindergartens world wide and more than 100 Camphill communities in over 20 countries. Unluckily, but probably unavoidably, there are bound to be a number of for one or other reason dissatisfied former parents and co-workers at the 1000+ schools and Camphill homes world wide.

As for the "agenda" of Waldorf Ed., sorry I forgot about the expressed view of the former Waldorf pupil and daughter of Heinz Galinski, Auschwitz survivor and for many years Chairman of the Central Jewish Council in Germany.

Eva is a 60 year old man who is terrified we are exposing his cult.

Steiner Cult

Steiner intimidation

"The Anthroposophists have a very good network and quite obviously have a sort of private intelligence service at their disposal for the observation of critics. It is exactly this dealing with those who think differently that creates a parallel in Anthroposophy to totalitarian cults." Psychologist and publisher Colin Goldner

"Normally one experiences something like that only when one is dealing with Scientology,"
"persecution complex befitting that of a cult-like association."
Arnold Seul, an MDR television editor

Whoa, Sune, those are exactly the quotes we are asking you to provide the source for.

Maybe you recall a poster here named "Lush" who tried to claim Steiner's comments about blond people being more intelligent were "out of context," possibly even fabricated. Maybe you recall me offering to mail her at my own expense a copy of the book in which the quotes appear.

This is called accountability.

I ask the same from you. If you're going to quote celebrities, movies stars, and CEO's from big companies who praise Waldorf, you need to give us the source. Referring us to your own web site is not the same as giving a source. We want to know how to verify that Ken Chenault or Heinz Galinsky actually said this.

Can you do this please?

Yes, give us some sauce ...

ooh hello - I've missed you all. Have you all been here repeating the same things whilst I've been offline or is this a new round?

Jennifer aniston! We want quotes from Jennifer!

Hello kew

oh God, it's got fairly tedious really.
Eva posts links to his sites.

We ignore them.

The best bits were when 110x and cod came on , feeling bemused, and try to get quoted, for protection rackets..

and then started their own threads about our threads......

but they don't like it unless it gets fraught....

and lush has gone, so there's no fraught

oh thanks for the update. My life is just as dull - haven't had an interenet connection at home so not on as much.

Did I miss a JEnnifer Anniston connection?

Oh well Eva- do you know about him?
He's the 60 year old anthroposophist who has been stalking me round the net, and posts links to his sites which are there to deflect people from the occult spiritual reincarnation side of Steiner... anyway, he's been through periods of getting very frustrated, and posting, posting posting, which no one looks at.
he went through a phase of posting famous people who endorse or had a Steiner education... Jean Paul Belmondo and Jennifer Aniston..[hmn] snicker snicker

He really thought it would impress mumsnetters snurk... he just got a hurling of snurks...

Timmy mallet endorses it too......but he has a bro at camphill..

Diana:"Calm yourself dear, you were just not fully incarnated or you would not be upset to learn of evil races with marked faces. The kindly Waldorf teacher will protect you."

Yes, but you forget the Butterfly Telephone that's sending messages from the Beyond. Protection, by such people

And remember I left. I also always get a horrible rash on the forehead when wearing wool hats

No, it's obvious, The Great Manu won't post any decent information or come up with the sources.

What's even worse is he thinks that all the people he quotes, and where he can't provide the source, would answer a question in a way that he would be satisfied with. Don't pretend to know what they would answer, when in fact you have no idea.

And really, it's totally irrelevant what Jennifer Aniston - or whoever from the celebrity stupidity list - would think of waldorf's secret agenda. As long as she hasn't read any Steiner, I would expect she has absolutely no idea, just as many parents and students obviously don't.

It's stupid all of it. Plain stupid. Provide real answers, Sune.

I'm not getting into the debate, because I don't know all that much about the topic, but I just had to say that the threads (I just skimmed, didn't read word by word) have really left me bewildered.
In Belgium, where I'm from, it's Steiner schools are considered good alternatives to mainstream education. They're even considered to be for more liberal sort of people, so I really don't recognise the nazi-rasist sort of angle that's given here. I even know a number of people my own age who went to these schools and they seem normal enough to me, not into any of the weird ideas discussed here at all.
Our family GP was into anthroposophy, although I never knew all that much what it meant. All I knew about it that affected the way the waiting room was decorated, the toys were wood and he did homeopathy, which is why my parents chose him. Otherwise he seemed kind of normal.
So basically all of this has left me really . I don't know what to think...

Ahhh, Fugee if it's any consolation, I have missed you too!

Belgianchocolates: I think that's the problem - they are considered nice and harmless enough by people, and usually people don't know that much about the beliefs that are behind it all. And while I think that many can go through a waldorf education without much harm, for those who encounter problems, the situation turns out to be much nastier than one would expect, considering that shiny bright surface the waldorf people put up. Often you don't have to start finding out stuff about Steiner and anthroposophy until, well, it's too late really. Until then, people pretty much always buy what the anthroposophists say - and that's very far from the real deal.

"The small anti-Waldorf fringe hate type of group in SF/CA, where Alicia AKA "Zzoey" sits on the board, and she, DianaW and "Northernrefugee39" belong to the most fervent participants on its discussion list, encourages every single (on more or less well founded grounds) dissatisfied former Waldorf parent or co-worker at a Waldorf school or Camphill home they come upon to if possible set up a website of their own and some do."

Am I alone in picturing Sune going red, purple, blue, when he is in this mood?

Hiya Sune. Presumably I am included in this, what with me publishing www.easeonline.org?
Uh huh, Gee, I'm glad you imparted your wisdom on this, otherwise I might have continued thinking that my website came about from me deciding that rather than keep my concerns quiet ("keep it in the family" in Anthro parlance), write the letter I was asked to, I'd go public and say it out loud.
Ah well.
Now, I'd especially like you to offer some thoughts on:
"encourages every single..." How many do you reckon this might be then?

"(on more or less well founded grounds)" Woops. You don't fear you might incur a cosmic kick up the arse for this near-admission that there might indeed be areas us mere mortals have legitimate issues?
Even without your "hate group" guff?

I don't suppose you are any more inclined to now advise what the parents who withdrew their kids from the Edinburgh Steiner School misunderstood? You proclaimed this as fact a couple of threads ago, but have yet to give us any further benefits of your insight.
Go on, try. Wipe the foam from your mouth, take a couple of deep breaths and explain. Some of us might not agree with you, but I promise we will all understand.
Davy

Ease I love your very anthro way of describing our Sune - using colours for his mood! And yes you are alone on that one, especially on this thread!