Epsom College tragedy

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I was horrified to read the story about the headteacher and family dying this morning, this poor family and I can't stop thinking about how the children at school must feel learning about this tragedy. I am sure the staff there are being brilliant at supporting them. I remember hearing that my old headteacher had died after I left school and even then being really shocked and upset.

Yeah, why not? You seem to be enjoying it 😁

Well, I'll just say that suicidal people are, on balance, dangerous to others, for obvious reasons.

How so?

Suicidal people are dangerous to THEMSELVES. Very rarely are they homicidal as well.

Sounds like just one more way to stigmatise people who are already suffering tremendously.

Oh dear, you're on a thread about the tragic death of a mother, father and seven year old child and you're posting laughing emojis.

Says it all really, how shameful can some posters be, just because they want the last word.

I think you need to consider how insensitive that last post was.

Anyway, I hope they people that have been affected by this, certainly don't view your comment with added laughing emoji.

Can't stand the 'poor man, he must have snapped' narrative that you sometimes see.

Agreed @MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake It’s cowardice of the worst kind. And is usually an indication of a man’s sense of ownership of his wife and children.

I think you need to stop now. Not really the thread for it is it?

Suicidal feelings are distordered. People with them should be helped, I agree.

But don't dismiss it as a risk factor to others. It is. I am sure that suicidal feelings affect others, sometimes to the point of harm. It greatly affects children to have such a parent, and this is not stigmatisation but reality. Whether it is years of threats, unresolved feelings of hopelessness, or finally actually killing yourself, the effect on children is huge. They do not choose that but they can be damaged by it. They are harmed.

If anyone is a parent and has such feelings it is a positive duty to get it addressed before that happens. There are plenty of examples of failure. Depression can be a very serious illness and external support is a must.

And yes, plenty of cases where suicide threats or behaviour result in reduced access to children. That is absolutely what needs to happen.

Are you a close family friend then given you have so much insight into how they felt or are you just making shit up?

Exactly, you have no actual idea @Ndd135632 . unless of course you are a family member or close family friend!

@SoupDragon nah just making shit up. Let’s watch this space shall we.

Wow. I'm pleased to see people are able to have a reasoned and intelligent debate. Or not.

DD and her peers were told at school today to be conscious of their digital presence and be careful what sources they trust when discussing/looking at the death of their ex head.

Advice a lot of posters here might do well to heed.

If the worse has actually happened, How long does it takes the police to make an official statement? I mean the evidence would be really clear for them to make an informed decision as to what took place? no?

@SoupDragon wise advice given to your DD there.

I wonder this too. They must by now have a pretty clear idea of what went on, be that accident or otherwise.

Excellent advice.

Ok let’s all wait and see. But I bet you she didn’t kill her daughter. And I am shocked you are all giving the man the benefit of the doubt.

Why has my post been removed?

I simply said I would never send my children to a school that had guns on the premises.

@Hintofreality because you aren’t upper middle class

I am not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt, I am merely saying we don't know, which we don't.

Your completely made up "it was because she was a leading light", as if it is fact is pure speculation.

You state it as fact.

Nobody is giving him the benefit of the doubt. People may well be thinking the same as you. But it's not nice to make assumptions and speak as though you know the truth, when actually you are guessing like everyone else.

Much better to wait until the information is released. So often when people make assumptions, there are many things they don't know.

You might be right. It's not defending him to dislike the way you are commenting.

In fact it's not speculating because you're not even saying 'I think that...'.

It's not about the benefit of the doubt it's about not making shit up, which you are doing when stating your own personal fiction as fact.

Remember there are almost certainly people reading this who know her, or him, or the DD. What an awful thing to be dealing with.

Not sure that the police will be making any further statements - case will have been referred to the Coroner now who will open an inquest in the next few days.
The Coroner will likely release a statement outlining the cause of the deaths