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user1483311479 · 13/12/2020 00:59

Hi everyone,

I have an eight year old DD who has always lived with me and visits her mum on alternate weekends. She is in public primary school and sometimes goes to the after-school club, which I pay for and is in my name. The club rents rooms at the school but are legally separate and have their own management, rules, staff, etc.

One day last month, DD was sent to the club at 3:15pm as usual and her mum should have collected her at 4:45pm as she has always done. The club called at 3:30pm to confirm that DD had arrived at the club. Her mum turns up at 3:40pm instead of 4:45pm and contacted the headteacher who is still on site, instead of contacting the club. The headteacher goes to the club claiming she has authority to remove children as she is a headteacher and, as no club manager was there, no club staff stopped her taking DD out and handing her over to her mum (the club later confirmed all this in writing). No-one contacts me at any point about this, not even DD's mum. The club later called to say DD is no longer at the club and that she was not collected by her mum. I call the police as I do not know where DD is, but find out minutes later that she is with her mum.

There are safeguarding issues with DD's mum. Both the school and club had agreed to contact me first if there were any changes to existing plans, particularly with respect to DD's mum. Neither the school nor the club contacted me. Club rules are that only authorised people can remove DD from the club (i.e. me and her mum) and that passwords must be used otherwise. There is nothing in school policies about school staff being able to remove children from any club or activity outside school hours.

Social Services became involved, interviewed DD who said she did not want to be removed from the club and was not happy about being taken out by the headteacher in-front of her friends, rather than being taken out of another exit by club staff as usual. The assigned Social Worker advised issuing formal complaints to the club and school and referred me on to the Education Safeguarding Team within the local authority. The Education Safeguarding Team said the headteacher had already been in contact to say that DD was at school and that she had handed DD to her mum at 3:15pm, and that the issue was about me trying to stop DD from seeing her mum. I told them that DD was actually in the club and the headteacher had no authority to remove her, and offered the evidence on this from the club and Social Services reports. I have had nothing back from them yet.

The club has since essentially admitted they were at fault for releasing DD to an unauthorised person, but only after they were told they would be inspected by the ombudsman as a result of what happened.

The school have refused to comment on the matter, stating that the incident and my subsequent complaint is not within their remit. This was followed by a complaint by the headteacher that I had threatened her job, which I had not. Part of the school complaint procedure states that they do not necessarily have to respond to staff behaviour outside of school hours. I suspect they are trying to use this to avoid the issue by claiming that the headteacher was acting outside of school and so she cannot be disciplined.

If the teacher went to the club outside of school hours claiming to have authority over them as a headteacher, so clearly stating that she was acting on behalf of the school, but the school say it was outside of school hours and so it is not within their remit to respond to the complaint, what should I do? I was thinking that if she was technically outside of school and not acting as school staff then I could contact the police to give her a warning about trying to remove children from the club as an unauthorised person. I also thought about contacting my MP or the Education Minister and basically forcing the issue that the school must consider my complaint as she said she was acting on behalf of the school. Does anyone have any advice on this, or any other ideas?

It has become worse since, as the headteacher now says that neither she nor the deputy headteacher will communicate with me anymore and that the only way I can communicate with the school is to issue formal complaints via the Chair of Governors. Emails I sent to the school have been sent to the Chair of Governors, who has said that I need to break each email down into a single question or issue and raise each one as a separate complaint. The majority are simple questions such as "what email address should I send this to?" and "Why was DD not allowed to wear trainers to her PE lesson?". I have been forced to lodge 23 'complaints' so far, and the Chair of Governors has said that he will now carry out a full investigation into each one individually and to expect a response sometime after Christmas. I have told him how bizarre this all is, but he says that he and the school are simply following procedure. However, I suspect that this is all being done as revenge because I issued a complaint and the school are simply trying to make things difficult.

Because they were not communicating with me, I have been making Freedom of Information requests each week which they have to comply with. However, the school are currently refusing to release any records with respect to DD being taken out of the club by the headteacher stating that they are unable to do so because I issued a complaint. However, I now have records which show that DD was recently unwell at school, was excluded from a school activity and was essentially punished for wearing a certain item of clothing, even though the clothing is school approved. The school had not contacted me about any of these at the time but, as we now have a Social Worker, had been sending reports to Social Services claiming that these incidents were evidence that I abuse and neglect DD. The school also sent these records to DD's mum when they were released to me who has raised concerns with Social Services that I abuse and neglect DD based on what the school says, but also raised concerns with the school that they were refusing to communicate with her also. The Social Worker has essentially said that what they are sending is not all that important at the moment. I then raised a safeguarding concern with how DD is being treated at school with Social Services, which got sent to the Education Safeguarding Team, which I am still yet to hear from.

Does anyone have any advice on where to go from here? I did start looking into whether I could take the school to court just to obtain a court order forcing them to communicate with me, but I do not really think that is possible. I also thought about going to the press to publicise it all. I could take DD out of the school, but she really likes it there and has lots of friends and she's having a hard enough time with the whole situation, being interviewed by Social Services, etc, as it is. The next nearest school with spaces is 14 miles away which is not the easiest given that this school is less than a mile. In a way, I think that the school are acting this way to try and force us out anyway which makes me all the more determined to keep her there.

OP posts:
Saltn · 13/12/2020 08:36

Please go to the press and make sure you have your sulky bottom lip out as far as it will reach for your 'sad face' photo.Wink

BerriesAndPineCones · 13/12/2020 08:38

My advice is that you apologise to the school for your campaign of harassment and seek assistance from your GP with your mental health.

Popcorninmymouth · 13/12/2020 08:43

She was going to pick her up an hour later. What's the difference? Are you causing everyone a lot of anxiety to be difficult?

OppsUpsSide · 13/12/2020 08:45

OP I hope you have some support sort of support network?

CallmeAngelina · 13/12/2020 08:49

Why on earth do the ASC have to phone you each day at 3.30 to say that she has arrived? Is that normal procedure?

And take a look at your OP. See how long and involved it is? There's the clue that you might be over-thinking this.

DougRossIsTheBoss · 13/12/2020 08:51

This reads as batshit crazy
Can you really not see that?

No harm at all has come to DD. She went home with her mum who has PR and is allowed to collect her.
I really can't see what business that is of yours at all
Not sure why mum didn't just go direct to the club and fetch DD and involved the head. I expect the head regrets that.

Yes the school should have investigated your complaint rather than trying to say it was outside school hours but they were trying to avoid it because your complaint is totally bonkers. I am a school governor and I would have investigated by having a telephone call to listen to your ranting and then writing you a letter telling you it was not upheld. End of.
I mean what did you actually hope to achieve with your complaint and now the 23 other ones??
What has the head done wrong in releasing a child to a parent with PR on a contact day??

Schools do not just refuse to communicate with parents who have made complaints. Therefore I suggest that it is not just the fact you have complained but the manner in which you have done so which has resulted in this action.

Your behaviour in writing FOIs and 23 complaints is vexatious and likely to amount to harassment and I would deal with you under our vexatious complaints policy, decline to investigate and refer you to the LA.

Your behaviour is causing distress to your child by causing a breakdown in your relationship with the school. You are providing written evidence of your harassment and unreasonable behaviour which I expect will shortly be used against you. The child has a parent with PR who as far as we know is behaving normally and the school continues to communicate with.
I should not be surprised at all if you find the LA supports the school in refusing contact with you as this is your evidenced behaviour.

If you want to remedy this sorry situation I suggest that you
Withdraw all your complaints and FOIs
Ask for a meeting with the head and CoG (I expect the head will want union support too)
Apologise for your ridiculous behaviour and agree how you will communicate with the school in future

But you won't do this because you are controlling and abusive.

Fieldofyellowflowers · 13/12/2020 08:56

@LaLaLandisNoFun

The point I was trying to make is the headteacher may not know who is authorized to pick up the DD from after school club. Not so much of a big deal in this case because it was her mum. But if it wasn't someone who was authorized to pick the DD up and the HT went in and started throwing her weight around, demanding that she be handed over, then yes, that would be a safeguarding issue.

ineedaholidaynow · 13/12/2020 09:04

I assume the Chair of governors has asked for the complaints to be detailed separately as they are all distinct issues eg mum picking up child at undesignated time, not being allowed to wear trainers. So the Chair may uphold some complaints but not others

LIZS · 13/12/2020 09:05

The head collected on behalf of a parent who was already on the premises. Whether the Asc followed their procedures in handover seems unclear. If there are safeguarding issues why is her dm allowed to collect at 4:45 but not 3:40? Does she have pr? Are ss involved or any court orders in place? Agree your persistent demands have gone well beyond the norm or in seeking explanation. If you wish your dd to continue at the school and keep goodwill drop it now. You seem to have lost sight of whose interests are most important here.

Xerochrysum · 13/12/2020 09:10

23 unfounded complaints remind me of someone on the other side of Atlantic ocean with total denial of reality.

RaymondSpectacles · 13/12/2020 09:17

@Xerochrysum Grin

EarringsandLipstick · 13/12/2020 09:20

I don't know.

I'll re-read the OP. But it does seem to me like he has a point? Social Services involvement? There are noted issues with the mum?

I'm off to read again as I must be missing stuff, based on other poster's responses.

Sittinbythesea · 13/12/2020 09:24

OP be hating mumsnet now too.

Presumably you booked her into the afterschool club on Fridays deliberately so that her mum would have an hour less time with her on a Friday.

EarringsandLipstick · 13/12/2020 09:24

There are safeguarding issues with DD's mum.

Ok I read the post again! I agree it all seems v bizarre, other than this bit.

If there are known safe-guarding issues with the mum, perhaps this is the start of the whole issue.

Otherwise it does seem like OP is creating a massive drama.

kursaalflyer · 13/12/2020 09:32

Otherwise it does seem like OP is creating a massive drama
You want to read op's other threads...Hmm

DougRossIsTheBoss · 13/12/2020 09:43

Safeguarding issues according to him.
Social services involved because he called them

If the DD was not safe to be with mum why would she be allowed staying contact EOWeekend and why would a headteacher (a professional with years and years experience of these sorts of situations and up to date safeguarding training) give her over into her care?

Reading between the lines isn't difficult here.
The head felt sorry for a mother who is being abused and alienated from her child by an abusive father so she tried to facilitate contact where he was obstructing it.

BethlehemIsInTier1 · 13/12/2020 09:43

SS may well intervene if the OP continue his tirade and targeted harassment and abuse towards the school and ex, and it will not go in his favour.

BethlehemIsInTier1 · 13/12/2020 09:44

@justanotherneighinparadise

It’s basically exactly the kind of crazy we read about on here. The thread where the husband was planning to go to court for residency of a child that was days away from turning 18. That was an eye opener!
Oh yes I was wondering how she got on with him!
notapizzaeater · 13/12/2020 09:51

You need to explain more, why is the extra hour at safeguarding issue with mum? If mum was authorised to collect her then no one has actually done anything wrong ?

Angel2702 · 13/12/2020 09:54

@drspouse

They aren't 23 complaints, they are 23 normal questions that the school won't answer.
I can’t imagine there would be cause to ask 23 normal questions at all, that is not normal at all. Even with 3 children in school I wouldn’t have cause to contact their schools 23 times. I doubt I’ve emailed the school 23 times in all the years they have been in school.

Reading your post raises flags about your own behaviour and need for control. It’s concerning.

DougRossIsTheBoss · 13/12/2020 10:00

When social services investigated all they found wrong was a child slightly unhappy to be collected early whilst playing. That's my son every single time. Begs me to pick him up early and then if I do complains because he was playing!

They found nothing wrong and advised him to just use the complaint procedure if he's unhappy. Which he did and got an apology from ASC but not from the school so he's embarked on an all out war escalating a minor issue to an insane degree.

The CoG asked for the issues to be detailed separately because what they will have received is a mad scree of ranting probably extending to 20 pages. It's pretty hard to investigate that. Seriously who complains to the governors about their child's footwear in PE! Could he not just ask the class teacher? I would decline to 'investigate' such a ridiculous complaint as procedure has not been followed ie try to resolve at a lower level. As someone else said governors have not got time to investigate petty matters such as that.

You could argue that the school should not refuse to communicate with him but I suspect they will have invoked their harrassment/ malicious communication policy. Staff do not have to put up being bullied at work.

If OP wants residence to be transferred to mum he is heading about it the right way with his batshit crazy behaviour. He is making a rod for his own back and providing written evidence of his craziness and lack of child focus in alienating a school where she is happy because of issues that are essentially between him and his ex.

This is a very common source of complaints for schools.

zaphodbeeble · 13/12/2020 10:04

Batshit

DameCelia · 13/12/2020 10:04

Hi @user1483311479
I might be able to help with why the school have behaved in the way they have.
Bear in mind most school policies are pretty standard, issued by the local authority and adopted by the school.

The school staff will no longer deal with you because they feel you are taking up too much of their time and/or you were aggressive towards them.
By following the complaints procedure you are putting everything on record.
The school may well have a persistent complainer policy, which may only be usable once you have been through the complaints procedure
Have a look at the persistent complaints policy, it sounds like they want to apply this to you.

DoTheNextRightThing · 13/12/2020 10:10

I work in a university and we recently had someone a lot like you who called up everyday, would ring all different members of staff until one answered, and then give us grief over her complaint which wasn't actually valid. The case was closed, she had no leg to stand on. But she continued to call and be argumentative, so it was passed to our solicitor as harassment. In the end, we were told to simply not answer the phone to her anymore as the case was closed and there was nothing more we could do, and talking to her would only waste our time and cause us to be spoken to in a way that is unacceptable.

That is what has happened here. They will be ignoring you because there isn't grounds for a complaint here, and you are harassing them.

loutypips · 13/12/2020 10:11

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