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does my 3yo need to go to pre-school or not?

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daisybo · 28/05/2007 19:31

have also posted this on the childcare boards, just wondered if anyone had kept their lo at home with them full time until they started school?
is there anyone who didn't send their little one to any kind of childcare and then when they started school were they ok? my ds is 3 and due to start at pre-school in september but i don't really want him to go and he doesn't want to go either! should i send him so he gets used to spending time away from mummy in preparation for school next year or would he be ok if he stays at home til he starts school? i don't want him to miss out on mixing with other children and making friends but i don't want to force him to go when neither him nor i really want him to go iyswim!
should prob add he has never been in any kind of childcare, not been left with anyone except mummy, daddy and occasionally grandad!
what do you think i should do? what would be best for him? he is only just 3 btw, so a young one for his year.

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hunkermunker · 28/05/2007 23:35

I think there's a world of difference between shoe choice and being left at preschool.

To us, it's 2.5 hours - to a child who's not been left with anyone but close family - or at all - it's a totally alien experience.

DS1 was 2.9 when he went and there's a thread somewhere detailing the traumatic start he had there.

He had a couple of sessions where I left but his auntie or grandmother stayed (my nephew also goes to the same preschool). Then he had one session where I left (he was fine, kissed me goodbye, etc - he's used to being left as I work, but he gets left with my mum and dad or DH's mum and dad - he'd never been left in a room of strangers before. He loves his toddler group, but he always had an adult he knew with him there). Half an hour or so later the (lovely and kind) leader rang and said he was utterly inconsolable - did I want them to keep trying to cheer him up or did I want to come and get him?

Of course, I went straight to get him. He was being carried round by the leader, they'd been trying to distract him with puzzles, toys, etc - but he was sobbing and saying, "Oh, dear, oh, dear, oh, dear" over and over again.

I could have left him. I could've repeated this over and over and maybe he'd have settled in time. But I couldn't - he was beside himself. He didn't have the depth of understanding to realise what was going on - as adults we know what preschool is, we know they're going to school next, we know about teachers and all that malarkey.

But when you're not even three, you don't know that stuff. Even if you are told about it, you don't really understand.

So someone (me or his grandmother) stayed with him until he was happy to be left. He loves it now - it took about a term for him to be totally comfortable there, but he races in and doesn't bat an eyelid when I leave him now.

Maybe he'd have been the same if I'd left him to get on with it, but it would have been very hard on us both. It really isn't comparable with which colour beaker issues. I don't bugger about with stuff like that. We have "one chance then change the subject" - so "I want the red beaker! No, I want the green beaker!" "One chance - which one?" "Red!" "OK, here's the red beaker" "No, green!" "You said red, that's the end of it, now we're changing the subject"

I have very, very clear memories of preschool. I didn't really like it - I was happy pottering about at home and was a quiet, well-behaved toddler with no excess boister to get rid of. I was scared of the boys on trikes and I didn't know how to make friends - being at preschool didn't change that. Heck, being at SCHOOL didn't change that particularly!

However, even though I went to preschool from 2.2 and school from 4.3, I could read before I started school - and was learning to write too

Springadora · 28/05/2007 23:37

Sorry as an afterthought - I am glad that my kids are not happy to be left with strangers - that is healthy.

hunkermunker · 28/05/2007 23:37

However, I have seen children sob heartily at their parent departing, then be totally fine 2 minutes later as you say.

DS1 wasn't one of those - he is Firm Of Purpose And Not Easily Swayed, which I am hoping will stand him in good stead in future

Springadora · 28/05/2007 23:39

hunker - well said

pucca · 28/05/2007 23:39

HM...

That is exactly what i am saying though, my dd was unconsolable when she went aged 2.6yo so i didnt MAKE her go, she wasnt ready.

This time around, yes she did get a little anxious, and prob was the memory of the other nursery (which she calls the horrible school now lol) but no where near as bad as at the other nursery, you have to judge it at the time, obviously if they scream day in day out then they are not happy and it isnt the correct time for them.

Zog · 28/05/2007 23:40

Yes but hunker, you left him first. And springadora has very eloquently said that he could have then fallen into a number of camps. I am certainly not saying that all children should be left at nursery regardless but I do think that all children are different and leaving some children when they cry is the right thing to do for them. If the nursery had phoned you 10 minutes after you left and said "he's absolutely fine, he stopped crying 2 minutes after you left" and he bounded out to greet you saying nursery was fab, what would you have done if he'd cried the following day?

hunkermunker · 28/05/2007 23:41

Zog, he wasn't crying when I left him.

Zog · 28/05/2007 23:42

x posts . And on that note, I must go to bed - thanks for the debate all

Zog · 28/05/2007 23:42

Oh OK, but you've seen the children I'm talking about.

TigerFeetFormerlyCheesyFeet · 28/05/2007 23:44

Slightly off topic, but dd has been going to nursery for over 2 years and I still will not leave her if she is crying. We (carers & I) make sure she is settled before I go.

In response to the OP, it really depends on the child iho. Some children will run straight off and not look back, others will not be ready for such a huge step until they are older. For me, if I were not working I would still send dd to nursery for a couple of mornings a week (she is 2.10) for the social aspect. You can still socialise with your children though in your existing circle of friends and toddler groups etc. You could try sending him, staying with him for a couple of sessions, and seeing how he gets on. You can always take him out if it doesn't work.

Springadora · 28/05/2007 23:45

ee up, bedtime. night all.

hunkermunker · 28/05/2007 23:45

Yes, I've seen them - manipulative little sods

pucca · 28/05/2007 23:46

HM...I hope you still reserving your ds1 for my dd to marry?

Clary · 28/05/2007 23:55

Not read the thread Daisybo but will just say this:

In our FS2 intake of 80 this year (I help out at my DCs school) there are 11 children who had no pre-school.
That amazes me when it's freely and widely available (here anyway, we are lucky to have plenty of options).
I bet I could tell you just from observing them which children have not been to pre-school - they are the ones who have no idea how to make a line, how to stand or sit still, how to act independently ("can you heeeeelp me?"), how to behave socially, or any of the other things they learn at pre-school.

IMHO this prevents them accessing the school curriculum as fully as their peers (and it's most of them) who have done nursery school or playgroup. And that's without touching the academic skills of writing their name etc (these are way less signifiant in my view but still important to some).
HTH sorry don't want to sound stroppy!

pucca · 28/05/2007 23:56

Clary...That is very interesting actually.

hunkermunker · 28/05/2007 23:59

LOL Pucca - Marsy's DT has her eye on him There's always DS2

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mozhe · 29/05/2007 00:27

3 is very young for school.....none of my three older children,( 4,5 and 6 ) go to school fulltime...I think children start way too early in this country.Have you considered increasing his time away from you with either grandad or a trusted childminder in a homely environment first ?Don't forget that he doesn't have to start school until the term after the one in which he is 5....and then many schools are happy to negotiate part time attendance. If modest fees are within your reach,( and you are near one of course !), steiner schools encourage part time attendance right the way through if that is what is thought best for the child...they are a bit of an acquired taste though...

Anna8888 · 29/05/2007 07:40

Daisybo - I think you should send your DS to pre-school in September.

I'm no fan of the institutionalisation of very small children. However, once they begin to talk and to enjoy the company of children their own age (which should happen sometime between 2 and 3), they need to start spending a few hours a week in a group of their peers, without their parents/adult carer, in order to prepare them gently for school.

My daughter will be 2.10 in September and will be starting French maternelle (pre-school) every morning. I have chosen the school very carefully, it is a lovely, kind place with small classes and only very small (3 and 4 year olds) in the building and part of the park where they will play, so it is not intimidating in any way.

I do quite a lot of preparation already - we walk past the school as often as possible and look at the children playing on the slide and in the sandpit, I talk about school to my daughter etc.

harpsichordcarrier · 29/05/2007 08:01

I am lol that at on this thread I am agreeing most wholeheartedly with mozhe and xenia

juuule · 29/05/2007 08:01

I was just thinking that myself

FioFio · 29/05/2007 08:58

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Anna8888 · 29/05/2007 09:11

FioFio - don't you think that, to a certain extent, you need to fall in with the prevailing sytem so that your child's development at school is on a par with that of its peers?

In France, for example, 99% of children go to maternelle (starting in the year of their third birthday), even though it is not law to go to school/educate children until primary school starts at age 6. So if you don't send your child to maternelle, it won't have many (any) friends to play with and won't have the same reference points as other children?

daisybo · 29/05/2007 09:13

wow! this kicked off after i went to bed last night!
thanks everyone for your posts, i feel loads better after reading through it all. it's not that i don't want him to go to pre-school, i just don't want to force him to do it. he's a very clingy little boy (i left him with a friend for 2 minutes the other day when i went to go and get dd's buggy out of the car and he screamed the whole time 'i want my mummy!' and not having a paddy screaming, but genuinely upset)
i really hate the idea of leaving him to cry it just feels wrong, and if he doesn't want to be there he doesn't have to, he can be at home with me (thanks F&Z, that's exactly how i feel, it just seems everyone else in RL thinks leaving him to cry is something i have to do)
however, i'm sure when he's confident enough to be left and feels secure there etc he will love pre-school and it will do him the world of good.
i guess i will try him in september and if he doesn't want to be left i will stay with him till he does feel happy to be left.

pictures self sitting in preschool with 8mo causing havoc for months to come!!

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