Is anyone else waiting for 11+ results?

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6 days to go and starting to get anxious...!

What did I link back to 1994? I certainly didn't mean to....

The Performance tables go back to 1994. sadly not "1990" That would have been interesting because I don't know anyone from class of "90" my year who got 5 A-C. Anyway 10% in 1994 ......

slightlyjadedjack what the tables don't reveal about the middle attainers, is that many may have 6, 7, 8, 9 A-Cs, but have missed out on the C in Eng or Maths, thus not counting in the magical 5 A*-C in En&Ma figure. For children coming in with perhaps 4,3,4 at KS2 and getting a high D in maths, progress is as or exceeding expected overall but they've missed it in the crucial subject, and as far as performance tables are concerned, if you don't have en&ma, then they're not interested.
The VA figures being well above 1000 are what to look for- pupils making good to excellent progress.

And yes, it's very easy for high attainers to miss 5 A*-C inc En&Ma if they have family breakdown issues in Y11, cancer, EDs, acquired brain injury, schizophrenia (just a few of the issues I know of affecting high attainers in the last few years).

If your child has had a lot of coaching it might be a blessing in disguise if they don't get a place at grammar school. Over the last seven years I have seen pupils unhappy, unable to keep up, leave , drop out or re do years. Think carefully , is your child naturally capable or just coached? You are doing them no favours if they are just coached to pass.

Think carefully , is your child naturally capable or just coached? You are doing them no favours if they are just coached to pass.

I don't believe you can coach a child to pass the 11+, who doesn't have the innate capability of passing the 11+. You can teach technique, teach them those parts of the syllabus their school may not have covered, maybe tweak a few marks here and there, but you can't tell me that you can take any child of any ability and get them through with tutoring? That would mean that no tutored children ever fail the 11+, and that just isn't the case.

Of course with any pass mark there are going to be those who just scrape in, and might struggle (though most do not), but that would happen with or without coaching.

Coaching/tutoring have become such pejorative terms nowadays. Only in connection with the 11+ is there ever the proposition that children should go unprepared into an exam.

State primaries have no interest in whether or not their pupils pass the 11+. That's why many parents turn to tutors. When the results come out, children at my son's school are told that they are not allowed to mention them. Private schools, on the other hand, teach to the 11+ because that's what the parents want. That's where the big 11+ divide really lies.

NerfHerder hmm that's not so good then, the school VA figures on Best 8 are 990 for high attainers heading down to 966 for low attainers.

smokepole
The Performance tables go back to 1994. sadly not "1990" That would have been interesting because I don't know anyone from class of "90" my year who got 5 A-C. Anyway 10% in 1994

My school was slightly better in 1994 at 17%. Wow! And all the angst I'm giving myself now - even the worst possible school my children could go to is over 50%!

I know there were 8 of us out of my pre-1994 year group (170) who got 5 A-C in my year which by my calcs is less than 5% Of that 170, only 6 of us got a grade C or above in Maths.

Spindarella- that's why people like me are always going on about not using our own school experience to inform the choices we make for our children......

Certainly puts it into persective Hak

I can't find how to get the old results from my school, they only seem to cover the past three or four years.

I don't think we can compare current results with grades from when I was at school (loooooong time ago). Getting 10 A's would have stunned everyone I think!

There's a link on the left hand side when you open up the link from Hak above. It says something like "data going back to 1994" - it's not in the same format though.

I did manage to look up the A level point score for my school though which I knew would be grim - only me, another girl and one boy got ANY A levels - at any grade - no idea why I stayed on there for 6th form other than it being local!

Found it, thank you! My old school had a 41% pass rate A-C in 94, so not too bad for the time!!

It is very interesting to look at results from 1994 and compare with today. For instance in 1994 the national average was 43.3% of pupils gaining 5 A-C GCSE grades compared to 81.1 % or 58.6% including Maths/English in 2013.

The 1994 results do not state whether their figures relate to including maths/English or just % of 5 GCSEs of any subject types. There are also some other facts that make worthwhile reading Chaucer technology school Canterbury got 48% % A*-C in 1994 yet only 51% in 2013 (though including Maths/English). Perhaps though the most striking statistics to prove that education has improved immeasurably though is that my school with only a 10 % pass rate was far from the worst , Ramsgate school achieved just 1% pass rate in 1995 as did the infamous Ridings school in Halifax (Does anyone remember that school being dubbed the worst in britain .

Hakluyt is quite correct to point out our experiences , bear little if no correlation with schools today. Therefore we should not judge schools based on our perceptions or assumptions based on 20 year out of date information.

"The 1994 results do not state whether their figures relate to including maths/English or just % of 5 GCSEs of any subject types."

They did not necessarily include English and Maths.

1%????????

Ridings school : Halifax 1995 Pupils aged 15 ,148 GCSE 5A- C 1% 5 A-G 40% 1 GCSE A*-G 64%. . It had 36% of its students leaving with 5 years of secondary study without a single GCSE to even G standard . What an indictment about education standards in the eatly 1990s .

these appalling educational standards left many pupils/students illiterate .
Some-one should be charged with "Child Abuse" for allowing that standard of education to be deemed acceptable.

These HA HA . Educated in the 80s My excuse.....

Do you know what Smokepole I knew my school was bad, I just didn't realise HOW bad. Less than 5% of my yeargroup got 5 A-C. That's just appalling. I have no idea how in the context of that I managed to get a degree (in English no less!) and somehow forged a career. I don't even remember being particulalrly ballsy either so I can't even put it down to hard work and determination.

Sorry that turned into a bit of a "good old me" post but it's the first time I've ever considered just how statistically unlikely I am!

I had my first 11+ nightmare last night, I'm sure it's this thread (and the fact I toured our local secondary last night!)

I've steered clear of any conversations IRL about the exams, don't really want to chat about it to people I actually know, in possible earshot of DD.
I need this thread to release all the crazy, so I can maintain my calm exterior even though I'm freaking out inside

My fingernails won't take much more. We have 5 more interminably long days.

5 days Taffeta? I've got 7!! I'm not sure I have fingernails long enough for another week. How come you all get yours early? I thought Bucks sat early, when did your counties sit the test?

Ours aren't even posted until the 20th. I might be onto DH's nails by then...

I know this is going to sound ridiculous- but do try not to worry too much. I know that the 11+ seems like the most important thing in the world while it's happening, and the thought of your child not passing is terrifying. But I'm two years down the line now, and my ds, at a secondqry modern school most mumsnetters would sell a kidney rather than send their child to, is meeting or beating the scores his grammar school sister got. Trust your child. With supportive parents they will do well.

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Hak, my brain agrees with you but my stomach is a whole other ball game!!