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is it OK for the school to suspend dd and not notify me?

295 replies

NigellasDealer · 04/07/2014 09:03

well OK they sent me an email at 3,25pm to tell me that she was being suspended for a day, the next day, 'paperwork to follow'.
is that actually OK?

OP posts:
differentnameforthis · 05/07/2014 13:34

maybe 'hoping' you wouldn't find out - anythings possible with teenagers

HER DAUGHTER TOLD HER ABOUT THE SUSPENSION. SHE WASN'T HOPING HER MUM WOULDN'T FIND OUT, BECAUSE SHE TOLD HER!!

teacherwith2kids · 05/07/2014 13:37

Different,

But the point we are making is that the school is unlikely to use 'pupil post' for such a letter, because of the risk of it not reaching the parent. Sop they use 'direct to parent' communication - phone or e-mail - that in the vast majority of cases will reach the parent reliably.

As Randall says, it is very difficult to devise a communication method that guarantees that a parent has received the message, if there is essentially no working phone. It could be a school's policy not to implement a suspension until a parent confirms that they have received the message - but given the relationship that some parents (perhaps disproportionately those that have children in trouble at school) have with school, that would give effective right of veto by the parents over the suspension and could easily be abused.

clam · 05/07/2014 13:39

different Whether or not the dd in this case told her mother about it, does not change the fact that in general, schools cannot rely on all students to pass on such messages. Hell, even standard newsletters don't get passed on. I'd still have to frisk my two for correspondence if it weren't for God's precious gift of ParentMail.

differentnameforthis · 05/07/2014 13:39

Seriously. You are very, very aggressive.

And is it any wonder? OP has been kicked all over the place wrt her daughters 'behaviour' people have made assumptions regarding how op will deal with it (or not, as they seem to believe)

For a change it would be nice to see posters NOT reading between the lines & accusing the op of all sorts, when they have no basis for their assumptions.

clam · 05/07/2014 13:40

Think we're all repeating the same point here! Grin
not that it's getting through.

differentnameforthis · 05/07/2014 13:40

Well as it stands IN THIS CASE, the letter would have stood a much better chance to been seen by mum than the email, wouldn't it?

DottyDooRidesAgain · 05/07/2014 13:41

You are assuming they didn't give her a letter.

Assumption works both ways different.

At the end of the day the OP is complaining that the school did not notify her.

They did.

clam · 05/07/2014 13:42

different Again, by far the most aggressive poster on this thread is the OP herself.
What assumptions have been made about the dd? No one has even asked specifically what the initial "offence" was. But schools do not suspend lightly, so it gives rise to the thought that perhaps the OP is focussing on the wrong issue here, by splitting hairs on technicalities.

DottyDooRidesAgain · 05/07/2014 13:44

The OP has not being kicked all over the place different stop being so dramatic and making out this is something it's not.

The OP has been aggressive from the start but I suppose you will over look that Hmm

clam · 05/07/2014 13:44

And, different schools cannot operate on that sort of individual basis. That way lies chaos - and justifiable accusations of bias/discrimination/incompetence.

waterducksback · 05/07/2014 13:46

Without appearing to 'take sides' I can't see where Clam has been aggressive.

RandallFloyd · 05/07/2014 13:47

There's no need to shout.

DottyDooRidesAgain · 05/07/2014 13:52

Well as it stands IN THIS CASE, the letter would have stood a much better chance to been seen by mum than the email, wouldn't it?

And how exactly would school have known this?

As I have said the OP has given her e-mail address as a form of communication/contact. Unless she informed the school she only checks her e-mail on a Sunday morning they would quite rightly assume she would check it sometime between 3:25pm and 8am then next day as most people do.

EvilTwins · 05/07/2014 13:52

The law says a parent must be notified in writing. The school did this. The OP has no grounds for complaint - the school has fulfilled it's statutory requirement.

EvilTwins · 05/07/2014 13:53

Its. Bloody autocorrect.

clam · 05/07/2014 13:53

Me? has someone accused me of being aggressive?! I caught the smug one (which was fair enough) but I think dotty meant the OP, not me.

And another thing, I might be missing something with this one, but if the OP can't get internet coverage (and hence emails) at home, how come she's been MNing all morning?

DottyDooRidesAgain · 05/07/2014 13:56

Yes I meant the OP Clam.

I don't think the OP is going to accept the fact that her DD's behaviour has caused this issue. She is instead looking to blame the school/posters/anyone in the known universe.

Blinkered to the bigger picture imo.

TalkinPeace · 05/07/2014 15:16

The rules are clear
www.ace-ed.org.uk/advice-about-education-for-parents/exclusion_from_school
the school complied with them
www.gov.uk/government/publications/school-exclusion

70hours · 05/07/2014 18:38

Dont think the OP has had a kicking tbh - she came on to complain aout school not contacting her (which they had). - therefore what's her point. Her arguing with school is not going to change anything - they let her know - end of - yes she has been inconvenienced but I agree with a previous poster who wrot aout teachers and pupils lesson being disrupted etc by low level/high level behaviour every day. Show your daughter how much this has inconvenienced you (if indeed it has OP) and get her to realise the consequences of her actions - so that she doesn't do it again - arguing with the school IMO creates an us against them attitude and makes it 'look' like you don't agree with them - this is not good as this will not help your daughter to realise what she has done -

clam · 05/07/2014 19:00

That was me, 70, and I was mindful when I posted of a scenario I heard about this week. SIL was talking about a friend of hers who was furious with her ds's school for not supporting him with something or other to do with a cockup re: an exam timetable. Can't remember the details but the grumble centred around this boy being disadvantaged by the school's stance and how this exam (and his studies) were "so important."

I'm afraid I was less than sympathetic, as it turns out that this particular boy has been in my dd's mixed ability set for the last couple of years and has been a pain in the arse (dd's words!) all the way through. He's disrupted many, many lessons. And NOW his parents are concerned about his progress? From all accounts they were less than supportive to the school earlier on.

DISCLAIMER: I am not suggesting this is the case with the OP's dd. But I do think it's important that parents are seen to be supporting schools in their attempts to maintain good discipline because, as 70 said, once you start quibbling about details, it comes across as objecting to the whole sanction, however much you try and say otherwise.

MadameDefarge · 06/07/2014 00:27

Gosh OP. you really are having a bad run of luck with schools atm. First your DS and his rubbish school, now your DD and her rubbish school. Their rubbish attitudes, their rubbish manner of communicating with you. Their particularly rubbish manner of not seeming to be able to explain to you in any clear manner why either of your dcs are being sanctioned.

But you are very very right to concentrate on their apparent poor communication of these sanctions.

combust22 · 06/07/2014 08:14

I would be mortified if my child was excluded from school. Is that not the main issue here?

dollius · 06/07/2014 08:29

Yes it is, combust, but if you point that out you get told to FO.

combust22 · 06/07/2014 08:31

Perhaps exclusion is a regular occurence for the OP.

differentnameforthis · 06/07/2014 10:14

I would be mortified if my child was excluded from school. Is that not the main issue here?

Well no, it isn't. Because the op hasn't asked about her daughter's behaviour & she hasn't said that it isn't an issue, or that she won't deal with it.

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