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Not one pupil in Knowsley went to Oxbridge last year and only 2% went to RG universities.

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thebestisyettocome · 18/07/2012 11:02

In adjoining areas, Sefton and Halton, admission to Oxbridge was also 0%.

I'm really angry about this. No wonder people who can afford to send their children to private school.

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birdofthenorth · 18/07/2012 11:04

Throughout the entire authority? That's pretty shocking. Fellow northerner here.

thebestisyettocome · 18/07/2012 11:18

Apparantly so. It's in today's Liverpool Echo. To be honest I think I'm more annoyed by the 2% RG University intake than the Oxbridge statistic.

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Bossybritches22 · 18/07/2012 11:20

How sad that they don't think pupils from these areas are bright enough to achieve enough to apply for these uni's.

It has to be about lack of self belief encouraged by the schools, I refuse to believe there is no-one of academic ability in the whole area.

WhatMakesYouSay · 18/07/2012 11:37

Our LA, and the neighbouring LA also managed a staggering 0% Oxbridge, but did reach the heady level of 5% Russell Group Sad

thebestisyettocome · 18/07/2012 11:37

I agree Bossybritches22.

Nobody gives a shit though. Only a couple of replies on here and the Guinea Pig routine thread is nudging twenty. It makes me Sad and Hmm

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gelatinous · 18/07/2012 11:45

It sounds dreadful, but how big is Knowsley? I'd like to know the sample size before making a judgement.

thebestisyettocome · 18/07/2012 11:46

Knowsley is a large borough on the outskirts of Liverpool.

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thebestisyettocome · 18/07/2012 11:48

According to Wiki, a population of 150,000.

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OneHandFlapping · 18/07/2012 11:52

Some people still seem to think that Oxbridge is "not for the likes of us" or "only for rich kids", which certainly wasn't true when I was there 35 years ago, and is even less likely to be the case now.

Worryingly, some teachers seem to think this too, so schools do not do enough to foster Oxbridge entry. And when budgets and time are tight, the academic do not get the support they need. I've often seen the comment on MN, "oh well the bright will do well anywhere". Well they don't - or at least they don't achieve their full potential.

Elitism in sport, music and drama are encouraged in the education system, whereas academic elitism is not.

Some schools, pursuing league table positions, also do not encourage the bright kids to stick with traditional academic subjects, so a bright child who ends up with photography, drama and critical thinking as their A levels will be at a disadvantage in applying for any Russell Group uni.

DS1's (selective grammar) has an excellent program of support for entry to all universities - but Oxbridge in particular, from organised trips to open days, through assistance with personal statements, to practice interviews. They typically get 12-13% a year with Oxbridge offers. Given that the top 30% go to grammar in our area that's the top 3 or 4 % in the area.

That ought to be available for every LA - the top 4 % should be applying and should be supported in their applications.

TalkinPeace2 · 18/07/2012 11:54

As per my other thread on this.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/education/1520213-Russel-Group-Admissions-data-by-school-and-LEA
Oxbridge is a tad of a red herring as is is NOT the right place for many students and only takes a couple of thousand kids a year.

However EVERY LEA area should be getting its top 10% of students into the RG unis and if not, why not.

talkingnonsense · 18/07/2012 11:55

Is it possible that the data is skewed by a large excellent local Uni where dc could live at home? I imagine there are some fab northern non rg unis that might be very appealing- lots of people don't travel too far to uni even if they live out.

thebestisyettocome · 18/07/2012 11:58

TalkinPeace2.
I agree with you. I'm more appalled by the 2% RG intake than the 0% Oxbridge.

talkingnonesense. Knowsley is close to Liverpool Univerity, John Moores, Liverpool Hope and Edge Hill.

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TalkinPeace2 · 18/07/2012 12:00

talking
Considering both Liverpool and Manchester Unis are in the Russel group, sadly that excuse for the LEA goes out the window

BonnieBumble · 18/07/2012 12:00

I live in an affluent area with good schools, the percentage of students off to Oxbridge is still very low.

Abzs · 18/07/2012 12:01

I'm surprised about Sefton. Does Sefton include Southport still? KGV college always used to send several Oxbridge entrants every year. A few of my friends went over the county border to go there because of its academic reputation.

thebestisyettocome · 18/07/2012 12:02

Southport is in Sefton but these are the latest statistics apparantly Abzs so I don't know what's happening at KGV.

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TalkinPeace2 · 18/07/2012 12:03

Look your area up on the tables in my other thread - what about RG?
PLEASE stop worrying about Oxbridge all the time.
In the US they talk about the Ivy League - that is elitist but at least has 8 very different Unis rather than 2 strikingly similar ones.
We should be making sure that the RG Unis are stuffed full of our brightest and best.
Are they in your area?

TalkinPeace2 · 18/07/2012 12:04

The latest stats are state schools only by the way - read the links in my other thread.

thebestisyettocome · 18/07/2012 12:05

Erm, I'm not worrying about Oxbridge but you can't tell the people of Knowsley that (year after year) NONE of their children are bright enough to attend Oxbridge.

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TalkinPeace2 · 18/07/2012 12:08

thebest
I UTTERLY agree that Knowlsey has a problem - I posted about it last summer when the A level results came out and there were some really shocking comments from parents whose DCs had been put off top unis by their schools.
I'd be interested to know the percentage of kids from that area at schools outside the LEA or in private and how they do.
As sadly, much as I loathe Gove's Academy plans, some LEAs clearly need a rocket up their backsides.

CecilyP · 18/07/2012 12:11

Do they mean that not one pupil living in Knowsley went to Oxford and only 2% went to RG or do they mean not one pupil leaving an educational establisment in Knowsley went to Oxford and only 2% went to RG? (It is quite hard to work this out from TalkinPeace's link.) If the latter, only 2 of the 7 secondary schools in Knowlsey go up to age 18 and, of these, in 2011, only 42 and 61 pupils respectively completed A levels. Not a very wide base to work from. There is also an FE College where 316 completed A levels or equivalents. From this it would seem that more aspirational pupils will be going to 6 forms and FE colleges in Liverpool itself, or in other neighbouring authorities.

While Liverpool students do traditionally attend Liverpool University instead of going further afield, both Liverpool and Manchester Universities are in the RG.

Tressy · 18/07/2012 12:17

I don't even think it's 'for the rich kids' attitude. Oxbridge applicants need AAA at A level, RG uni's ask for AAB at A level on average. The schools don't teach the kids to get to this level.

At our local school. 1 student has an Oxbridge offer, I would estimate about 5 out of a sixth form of over 100 will get into and RG uni. This isn't a deprived area either, it's a rural school. Most students acheiving top grades from the school have also been topped-up via private tuition. It's a sad state of affairs and I'm sure it's not a reflection on the intelligence of the locals.

TalkinPeace2 · 18/07/2012 12:18

OK, Knowlsey data - I'm looking at the by school data for KS4
1600 kids in the KS4 cohort - that is teeny tiny
1210 stayed in education of any sort
980 went to non academic college
150 went to apprenticeships
230 went into sixth form

TalkinPeace2 · 18/07/2012 12:19

tressy - don't estimate. Look them up in the tables and give us the numbers....

TalkinPeace2 · 18/07/2012 12:24

Knowlsey KS5 data
magically the cohort is now 370 - implying a LOT of cross LEA churn at various stages
Of them 140 went to university
10 to the Russel Group and none to Oxbridge

BUT as per the stats on my other thread, as only 0.7% of state school a level students go to Oxbridge they are only 2 pupils short
but as 9% go to RG Unis, they are over 25 short there....

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