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URGENT: Shall I Divorce Him?

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BusyFinch · 11/05/2024 22:38

My Husband hates my children (they’re not our kids together they are my children from a previous marriage and are pre teen / early teen secondary school age. He is hypercritical of them and is super picky about everything they do. He has no or next to no relationship with them despite the fact that he has been living under the same roof as them for last 5 years. His criticisms are especially focused upon my daughter who is my youngest and a typical pre teen. Messy and answers back a lot. He is constantly on high alert always telling me things she’s done wrong.

For example today - not using her knife only using her fork at dinner , hanging her sports medals on her wardrobe door handle because they swing when she opens and closes the door it risks damaging the wardrobe door apparently, talking back to me, using her phone at the dinner table (showing me a mug cake she wanted us to make for her pudding), being on her phone too much generally, having too many items of cosmetics and it causing the kids bathroom to be messy and this is a relatively ‘light’ day in terms of his complaints. We have been out all day and this has all been between 4 and 9pm today. Some days there will be constant complaints all day.

For example: as soon as the kids get back from school they’re being too loud (he works from home in the living room as he has used the study as his hobby room so can’t fit a desk in there), kids have not taken their school bags immediately up to their rooms, not put their shoes neatly on the hall mat, had a snack at the table and left crumbs, not pushed the dining room chair in when getting up, not cleared the table after their snack, not put the snack stuff in the dishwasher to his liking, stomped up the stairs too loud, ran up stairs, worn shoes in the house, got water on the floor or too much water around sink in bathroom and this will all be in the 30 mins or so after the kids get in from school - this continues in a similar vein every hour of the day he is in the house with the kids.

In the first years or our marriage I tried to get the kids to do things to his liking but a couple of weeks ago I could no longer stand his constant petty ridiculous nitpicking of my kids and told him if he didn’t lay off them we were getting divorced.

He has never really tried to form any sort of relationship with my kids. They dislike him and tolerate him at absolute best. My ex husband (the kids dad) has indoctrinated the kids telling them they don’t have to listen to my husband which only makes things worse.

My husband and I are arguing about this on a daily basis. He is a negative, chronic complainer and doesn’t see the good in the world or in people in general. He is basically a miserable person. He hates his job and complains about that too. He dropped from full time to 4 days a week last year, but he is as miserable as ever.

A couple of months back after a family walk my daughter was sat in my car boot getting her muddy wellies off. He told her to get out of the boot so as not to get it muddy. She reasoned that her muddy boots were hung over the edge of the car boot. He was infuriated at her for talking back and literally physically removed her from the boot of my car - quite roughly too. I was shocked and have since been spending a lot of time considering leaving him.

My daughter had told me previously that he gets really angry with her when I am not there eg about leaving her room messy and she feels he wants to hit her that is how furious he appears to her. He never has hit her, just been cross with her but it has clearly scared her.

My son has basically figured out that he needs to not speak back and to not question my husband about stuff and he is generally a less confrontational child and so doesn’t get targeted by my husband as much as my daughter. A few years ago however my son was on the receiving end of exactly what my daughter is now I once went into my sons room and found my husband had hold of him on both shoulders - my husband said my son had tried to kick/lash out at him - this was years ago now and has not occurred again. I told my husband I would not tolerate this and that it would be over if he ever did anything like that again.

I am literally at the point where I cannot relax in my own home with the kids as I am just always waiting for the next negative comment or criticism to come from my husband. He literally hates all the world. Do I divorce him?

The house is in my sole name but he’s been here for 5 years so presumably would have some claim on it in the event of a divorce?

He constantly moans about the fact that he has to pay towards the mortgage from our joint back account without any ownership of the property. He often moans about the cost of raising my kids and how it costs much more than the child maintenance my ex husband pays. He moans about how much I spend (I am the main breadwinner). I do not live lavishly but literally every time I take the kids out anywhere that costs anything he will comment on it. I have not had a proper holiday with my kids in 5 years (we have been going camping or renting an air bnb with friends in the uk as he has been saying he doesn’t want to go on holiday with the kids he would rather just go with me and it would cost too much to do 2 holidays so either he and I have a holiday together or the kids and I do - I have ignored this and booked the above holidays for the kids and I every year anyway. He doesn’t come with us and will book a cottage in the uk for one week a year for him and me which I don’t enjoy as I am basically a cook on holiday he will just complain about having to eat out too much. Last year I told him I was booking an all inclusive in 2025 for the kids and I and he could come if he liked which he has agreed to - but I literally had to fight to get him to listen to what I wanted)

Financially I could manage without him as I work practically full time plus I get child maintenance from my ex.

Question is do I divorce him? And if I do what happens to my house? Shall I offer to pay him back whatever he has spent on my house so far just to make him more likely to leave without a fuss. I have asked him to move out and he has said no. He says he does not want a divorce, but I have so much anger, sadness and resentment about how the kids and I have been living in this bloody war zone for the last 5 years I cannot see any other way forward. Thank you so much for reading and any advice would be very gratefully received.

OP posts:
Nicole1111 · 12/05/2024 08:06

So pleased to see you’re ending this. It’s really important when he’s gone to explain to your children that emotional abuse has been happening and that you’re sorry you didn’t put a stop to it earlier but you hope you can all heal together now he’s gone. Please please please then seek therapy for your children, and yourself, for their experience of emotional abuse. This experience is likely to impact them in so many ways (especially in terms of their understanding of a healthy relationships and their self esteem) so you need to do what you can to limit that impact now to provide them with a better future.

TinyRebel · 12/05/2024 08:07

You mention your cohabited for five years but not sure how long you’ve been married. Start divorce proceedings as quickly as possible though, while it can still possibly be considered a ‘short’ marriage. Fingers crossed he accepts a settlement.
He will probably need buying out of the house unfortunately.

BitOutOfPractice · 12/05/2024 08:12

LizardOfOz · 11/05/2024 22:45

I didn't need to read beyond the first four words - 'he hates my children"

And you've been living with him for FIVE years???!!!!

Yes you should leave him immediately.

More to they point, THE KIDS have been living with him for 5 years.

and I will echo PP’s question: why did you marry him?

RoseUnder · 12/05/2024 08:13

If he’s only been contributing towards the mortgage for 5 years (50% of monthly payments) but hasn’t contributed equity / deposit / overpayments towards your house then hopefully his financial claim your house is relatively small.

Really well done OP, this is hard, everyone makes dubious life decisions and some bad situations evolve - they’re not like this from Day 1. Now you’re taking firm fast action to protect your children and yourself. You’re a good Mum and I’m sure your relationship with your kids will be even stronger once you’ve kicked him out of their lives.

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/05/2024 08:16

I didn’t think you could just change the locks as you’re living in the marital home. Anyway you’re getting legal advice asap so I do hope this will be classed as a short marriage and you will be able to extricate yourself from it without losing too much capital.

How long have you been married? The whole 5 years of co-habiting?

Howbizarre22 · 12/05/2024 08:20

Get. Rid.

I was your dd in this situation for years & it caused me a lot of misery being picked on especially by someone unrelated. I wished my mum stood up for us more & she eventually did & got rid of him & the home was so much happier. We still have all the memories of what a miserable bastard he was- don’t let your kids & yourself suffer this bully anymore.

millymollymoomoo · 12/05/2024 08:20

BusyFinch · 12/05/2024 07:37

Yes I am going to ring the solicitors in the morning to discuss exactly that. I do not plan to tell the kids what is going on until after he’s gone. It’s for me to deal with and I want him gone with as little fuss and as quietly as possible.

Edited

I think you should tell your children that you’ll be divorcing and he’s leaving

it will bring them a sense of relief and joy I expect

NorthUtsireSouthUtsire · 12/05/2024 08:33

TerrifiedOfNoise

You don’t need one, just change the locks. If you’re being generous/have the ability I would book a hotel or something in his name for the next week and then change the locks and put his things outside for him.

I would advise against this course of action. You are married and he has right of abode in the marital home at present. Don't do something that could end with the police requiring you to give him entry . Because without an Occupation order their hands are tied.
Definitely get the order . I did mine myself. Cost nothing as i was on a low income at the time

Tangelablue · 12/05/2024 08:36

BusyFinch · 11/05/2024 22:54

Yes but what if he won’t go?

Get the divorce started and contact NCDV for advice on a occupation order. Contact your local domestic abuse service for support, if they have childrens workers your children might benefit from support as well.
At some point it will be better but he won't make it easy. Do your friends and family know what you and your children are going through?

BusyFinch · 12/05/2024 08:39

NorthUtsireSouthUtsire · 12/05/2024 08:33

TerrifiedOfNoise

You don’t need one, just change the locks. If you’re being generous/have the ability I would book a hotel or something in his name for the next week and then change the locks and put his things outside for him.

I would advise against this course of action. You are married and he has right of abode in the marital home at present. Don't do something that could end with the police requiring you to give him entry . Because without an Occupation order their hands are tied.
Definitely get the order . I did mine myself. Cost nothing as i was on a low income at the time

How did you get the order yourself? And how long did it take to come through? Did you both have to appear in court? I’m thinking it may be easier in the first instance to see if he will move out of his own accord since I’ve given him his marching orders and told him it’s over.

OP posts:
BusyFinch · 12/05/2024 08:41

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/05/2024 08:16

I didn’t think you could just change the locks as you’re living in the marital home. Anyway you’re getting legal advice asap so I do hope this will be classed as a short marriage and you will be able to extricate yourself from it without losing too much capital.

How long have you been married? The whole 5 years of co-habiting?

Yes we have been married 5years

OP posts:
Bookworm1111 · 12/05/2024 08:44

Well done on taking such decisive action, he sounds an utter nightmare. But you should definitely tell your DC what’s going on. He may behave even worse towards them before he goes, or he may start love bombing them to convince you that he can change. Either way, you don’t want them to be emotionally damaged any further, so being honest is the best policy.

TitInATrance · 12/05/2024 08:45

I was in exactly your situation and was advised that I couldn’t make him leave unless we got divorced. I started the divorce process and announced it on social media to shame him into leaving.

It worked.

Mummyoflittledragon · 12/05/2024 08:47

BusyFinch · 12/05/2024 08:41

Yes we have been married 5years

Hopefully it will be classed as a short marriage. You have not time to lose in getting the ball rolling.

BusyFinch · 12/05/2024 08:50

RoseUnder · 12/05/2024 08:13

If he’s only been contributing towards the mortgage for 5 years (50% of monthly payments) but hasn’t contributed equity / deposit / overpayments towards your house then hopefully his financial claim your house is relatively small.

Really well done OP, this is hard, everyone makes dubious life decisions and some bad situations evolve - they’re not like this from Day 1. Now you’re taking firm fast action to protect your children and yourself. You’re a good Mum and I’m sure your relationship with your kids will be even stronger once you’ve kicked him out of their lives.

Thank you for your kindness and support. It’s so easy to beat someone up when they’ve made a mistake, but thank you for responding with kindness. I know I’ve made a massive mistake with this marriage and I am hugely beating myself up about it - it’s just nice to not to be beaten up on here even more than I’m beating myself up already.

OP posts:
Noseybookworm · 12/05/2024 09:15

BusyFinch · 12/05/2024 02:13

Update, spoke to him and told him it’s over. He’s agreed to move out. I’ve said he’s got till the end of the month to go. Will see solicitor Monday. Feels like a weight off. Thank you all for your replies and for those that posted support thank you - we all make shitty choices from time to time. It takes grace not to kick someone when they’re down. For those that showed that to me thank you.

Well done OP. The next few months could be difficult so look after yourself 💐 He might waver and change his mind or try to change yours so stay calm and stand firm. Is there a spare bedroom he can sleep in until he leaves? Stop doing his laundry/cooking etc and start living separately so he knows you're serious. Start the ball rolling with divorce proceedings. I know it's horrible at the moment so keep thinking of the peaceful life you and your children will have when he's gone.

potatowine · 12/05/2024 09:18

Well done for getting rid,OP.

He sounds like a selfish dickhead, taking over the house bit by bit , the study for his hobby and the living room for work !
Where are you and the kids meant to live ? And it’s your own house !

That's aside from the appalling way he’s treating your kids.

Shit hot lawyer Monday.
I had to check out 2-3 lawyers before I found one who I felt was really on my side and not just there to rake in the money.
Many of them do free initial consultation and during this time you get a feel as to whether they are good for you or not.

Regarding your house, it’s been a short marriage and it’s your kids’home. You don’t share children so that should hopefully go in your favour. Can’t see it being divided 50/50.

Does he have any assets ? Pension ?

He says he needs more notice to move ?
That’s fine but you take your living room and study back and he’ll probably want to move out !

If it was me, I’d quietly tell the kids so they can heave a huuuge sigh of relief that this arsehole will be shortly moving out.

Getonwitit · 12/05/2024 09:30

I didn't read past the first sentence'and i thought what the hell is wrong with you ? Why are you even having to ask if you should divorce him. I can't believe you have made your poor children live in this awful household. Get rid of him and stay single until your children are no longer children. There has been enough damage done to them.

bozzabollix · 12/05/2024 09:33

What is your ex like? Any better? Because it’s going to get unpleasant during the next couple of weeks, maybe the kids could stay with their Dad. They’ve put up with so much from this awful husband of yours, it’d be a massive relief for them to be rid.

I really feel for your kids, you lack such power when you’re a child and totally reliant on your parents choices, and it can make your life hellish.

Book into therapy after this sorry episode to work on boundaries etc.

Gettingbysomehow · 12/05/2024 09:35

Do you really need to ask? Get him out now. Don't pay back anything. His contribution has been rent. You don't pay rent back when someone leaves.
My stepfather treated me like this and my mother didn't do anything.
I no longer see or speak to my mother. She put her own happiness before mine. That man destroyed my life. Is this what you want for your kids? You owe them a huge apology.

Imisscoffee2021 · 12/05/2024 09:36

He sounds appalling, and tbh as the kids grow they'll start resenting you for bringing this man into their lives and then letting him remain there when he has no love for them, and is a controlling person who sounds like he'd thrive better as a bachelor where he can control his surrounding to the nth degree.

So many threads on here of women in later life feeling cut off from their family by a domineering control freak husband, rarely see their adult children and rarely feel able to go see them because of said husband. You sound stronger than that, and you know what needs to be done.

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 12/05/2024 09:38

Well done for telling him it's over. We all make mistakes and some people on this thread need to remember that everyone can. Definitely stop buying food for him, doing washings/arranging appointments etc for him. Until he goes, be very careful. My exh blew up at me because I hadn't told him the hairdresser was coming to the house to do my hair and the kids. We were living in the house but separated at the time. It didn't occur to him that he would have to do his own stuff. I wish you luck

Pluviophile1 · 12/05/2024 09:41

Good luck OP. Well done on taking that first step.

badwolf82 · 12/05/2024 09:42

“Talking back” is such bullshit. If they were adults this would be called “having a conversation”. It’s ridiculous and archaic to expect children to silently comply with everything that an adult tells them to do no matter how unreasonable or how rudely they are told.

Do you want your kids to be meek pushovers who never respond to unreasonable behaviour and just take any abuse thats given to them? Because that’s what your teaching them. You’re setting your daughter to end up in exactly the same emotionally abusive relationship.

DriftingDora · 12/05/2024 09:43

And you actually married this man? How desperate were you and what is wrong with you? It must have been evident he didn't like your kids, sounds as though he really hates them. What on earth are you still doing with him? Get rid.

He's done a real number on you by now refusing to leave - good luck with getting him to go, it sounds like he's going to dig in his heels for a payout. Why did you ever let it go on for so long?

I truly despair of what some women will tolerate, just to have a man around.