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URGENT: Shall I Divorce Him?

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BusyFinch · 11/05/2024 22:38

My Husband hates my children (they’re not our kids together they are my children from a previous marriage and are pre teen / early teen secondary school age. He is hypercritical of them and is super picky about everything they do. He has no or next to no relationship with them despite the fact that he has been living under the same roof as them for last 5 years. His criticisms are especially focused upon my daughter who is my youngest and a typical pre teen. Messy and answers back a lot. He is constantly on high alert always telling me things she’s done wrong.

For example today - not using her knife only using her fork at dinner , hanging her sports medals on her wardrobe door handle because they swing when she opens and closes the door it risks damaging the wardrobe door apparently, talking back to me, using her phone at the dinner table (showing me a mug cake she wanted us to make for her pudding), being on her phone too much generally, having too many items of cosmetics and it causing the kids bathroom to be messy and this is a relatively ‘light’ day in terms of his complaints. We have been out all day and this has all been between 4 and 9pm today. Some days there will be constant complaints all day.

For example: as soon as the kids get back from school they’re being too loud (he works from home in the living room as he has used the study as his hobby room so can’t fit a desk in there), kids have not taken their school bags immediately up to their rooms, not put their shoes neatly on the hall mat, had a snack at the table and left crumbs, not pushed the dining room chair in when getting up, not cleared the table after their snack, not put the snack stuff in the dishwasher to his liking, stomped up the stairs too loud, ran up stairs, worn shoes in the house, got water on the floor or too much water around sink in bathroom and this will all be in the 30 mins or so after the kids get in from school - this continues in a similar vein every hour of the day he is in the house with the kids.

In the first years or our marriage I tried to get the kids to do things to his liking but a couple of weeks ago I could no longer stand his constant petty ridiculous nitpicking of my kids and told him if he didn’t lay off them we were getting divorced.

He has never really tried to form any sort of relationship with my kids. They dislike him and tolerate him at absolute best. My ex husband (the kids dad) has indoctrinated the kids telling them they don’t have to listen to my husband which only makes things worse.

My husband and I are arguing about this on a daily basis. He is a negative, chronic complainer and doesn’t see the good in the world or in people in general. He is basically a miserable person. He hates his job and complains about that too. He dropped from full time to 4 days a week last year, but he is as miserable as ever.

A couple of months back after a family walk my daughter was sat in my car boot getting her muddy wellies off. He told her to get out of the boot so as not to get it muddy. She reasoned that her muddy boots were hung over the edge of the car boot. He was infuriated at her for talking back and literally physically removed her from the boot of my car - quite roughly too. I was shocked and have since been spending a lot of time considering leaving him.

My daughter had told me previously that he gets really angry with her when I am not there eg about leaving her room messy and she feels he wants to hit her that is how furious he appears to her. He never has hit her, just been cross with her but it has clearly scared her.

My son has basically figured out that he needs to not speak back and to not question my husband about stuff and he is generally a less confrontational child and so doesn’t get targeted by my husband as much as my daughter. A few years ago however my son was on the receiving end of exactly what my daughter is now I once went into my sons room and found my husband had hold of him on both shoulders - my husband said my son had tried to kick/lash out at him - this was years ago now and has not occurred again. I told my husband I would not tolerate this and that it would be over if he ever did anything like that again.

I am literally at the point where I cannot relax in my own home with the kids as I am just always waiting for the next negative comment or criticism to come from my husband. He literally hates all the world. Do I divorce him?

The house is in my sole name but he’s been here for 5 years so presumably would have some claim on it in the event of a divorce?

He constantly moans about the fact that he has to pay towards the mortgage from our joint back account without any ownership of the property. He often moans about the cost of raising my kids and how it costs much more than the child maintenance my ex husband pays. He moans about how much I spend (I am the main breadwinner). I do not live lavishly but literally every time I take the kids out anywhere that costs anything he will comment on it. I have not had a proper holiday with my kids in 5 years (we have been going camping or renting an air bnb with friends in the uk as he has been saying he doesn’t want to go on holiday with the kids he would rather just go with me and it would cost too much to do 2 holidays so either he and I have a holiday together or the kids and I do - I have ignored this and booked the above holidays for the kids and I every year anyway. He doesn’t come with us and will book a cottage in the uk for one week a year for him and me which I don’t enjoy as I am basically a cook on holiday he will just complain about having to eat out too much. Last year I told him I was booking an all inclusive in 2025 for the kids and I and he could come if he liked which he has agreed to - but I literally had to fight to get him to listen to what I wanted)

Financially I could manage without him as I work practically full time plus I get child maintenance from my ex.

Question is do I divorce him? And if I do what happens to my house? Shall I offer to pay him back whatever he has spent on my house so far just to make him more likely to leave without a fuss. I have asked him to move out and he has said no. He says he does not want a divorce, but I have so much anger, sadness and resentment about how the kids and I have been living in this bloody war zone for the last 5 years I cannot see any other way forward. Thank you so much for reading and any advice would be very gratefully received.

OP posts:
3luckystars · 12/05/2024 09:45

Didn’t read it all but yes, put your children first. Good luck.

Shufflebumnessie · 12/05/2024 09:46

You should have left a long time ago, in reality you should never have married him. You need to finally put you children first and rebuild your relationship with them, and help them to rebuild their trust in you, before it's too late.
You don't need a man, you need to focus on your children and salvage what you can after the past 5 years of bullying and physical abuse they've endured!

OvalLemon · 12/05/2024 09:47

BusyFinch · 11/05/2024 22:54

Yes but what if he won’t go?

You know you need to divorce him. I think you need to speak to your solicitor about legally evicting him. Or pack up his stuff and change the locks. I would argue he wasn’t contributing to the mortgage but paying you rent/covering household expenses. Get him out of the house first then start exploring options for divorce.

If you don’t get rid of him soon, you could ruin your relationship with your children forever. They’ll leave home and never want to come back if he’s around. Your children are more important here, and you know that.

potatowine · 12/05/2024 09:49

DriftingDora · 12/05/2024 09:43

And you actually married this man? How desperate were you and what is wrong with you? It must have been evident he didn't like your kids, sounds as though he really hates them. What on earth are you still doing with him? Get rid.

He's done a real number on you by now refusing to leave - good luck with getting him to go, it sounds like he's going to dig in his heels for a payout. Why did you ever let it go on for so long?

I truly despair of what some women will tolerate, just to have a man around.

Edited

The dynamics of abuse are more complex than just moving in with a horrible person.

As OP says, there has been a lot of good in the relationship and obviously abusers mask themselves initially.

Have you read the full thread ?
The OP is asking for help not judgement. Judgement helps no one.

Bananalanacake · 12/05/2024 09:57

Well done on telling him to go. If you want another relationship don't let them move in, it's ok to date someone and have your own space.

DriftingDora · 12/05/2024 10:00

potatowine · 12/05/2024 09:49

The dynamics of abuse are more complex than just moving in with a horrible person.

As OP says, there has been a lot of good in the relationship and obviously abusers mask themselves initially.

Have you read the full thread ?
The OP is asking for help not judgement. Judgement helps no one.

Thanks for your lecture, yes I have read the OP's comments, but this is a forum - and people are free to put what comments they wish.

If there was any doubts about this man (and there must have been) then the smartest move was not to marry him, was it, especially as the OP had young kids? And it's time the OP started to put her own children first - he hasn't suddenly become like this overnight - afraid I don't buy that. Perhaps he was a family man when it suited him, but it's painfully obvious that there have been warning flags for some time - just because he could be 'nice' on occasions doesn't outweigh his aggression towards the children - or does it, in your view?

Rightsraptor · 12/05/2024 10:00

What are you getting from this marriage OP?

It seems you are getting nothing positive - no support, no love, no improvement in your life of any sort. He, however, is gaining.

Don't make him any financial offer without consulting a good solicitor as you may offer more than he's entitled to. Keep a diary of his unreasonable behaviours. Copy all documents.

You've already made up your mind what to do.

ZeroFucksGivenToday · 12/05/2024 10:07

I'm so pleased you've made this decision.

Do you have any joint accounts? If yes I'd transfer half the money from them now.
I would tell the kids too, let them know you're separating, he will be going by the end of the month. Update FB to say "single" just to show you mean it. He will be doing everything to think about how not to have to leave.

Is there room in the study for him to sleep? I'd move him out of your room if possible. Do not share a bed with him.

Start doing only food/washing for you and your kids. He's on his own.

Normally I'd say keep things amicable, but he's a miserable nasty bloke so I would just do everything my own way now.
If he gets aggressive and threatening, ring the police and get him removed.
Finally, start divorce proceedings this week.

Doyathinkhesaurus · 12/05/2024 10:07

Were you a purse or a nurse for this man? You are not happy, your kids are not happy, he is not happy. Let him go be not happy somewhere else and your burden is 2/3 gone!!!

Let him go... let him go... can't cope with him any moooooooore 🎶🎶

Rightsraptor · 12/05/2024 10:08

Oops, I hadn't read all of OP's messages.

Well done.

Have you got easy access to all bank statements etc? You may find that he claims to have made a greater input than he actually made, since it's only been a 5 year marriage and he'll be wanting money from somewhere.

I really wouldn't change the locks - it's his home too and that could lead to trouble for you.

Riversider · 12/05/2024 10:20

Fully in support of you OP. Legal advice might well indicate you can’t change the locks to get him out but I could be wrong. If your husband’s refusing, you could do what someone else I know did - move someone else in as a catalyst.
Have you spoken to your ex about what’s happening? He seems the perfect opponent to your husband and could be your greatest ally atm.

Carouselfish · 12/05/2024 10:24

From the first line 'hates your children' it's a yes, obviously and why the fuck did you marry him in the first place.

Carouselfish · 12/05/2024 10:26

Sorry, didn't read full thread. Thank god for that OP

OriginalFloorboards · 12/05/2024 10:27

Crikey OP. Don’t live like this. Listen to others. He sounds awful.

shieldmaiden7 · 12/05/2024 10:34

Oh my god leave the asshole! I can't believe you even have to ask.

If he hates kids that much why did he marry a mother in the first place.

NorthUtsireSouthUtsire · 12/05/2024 10:39

BusyFinch
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assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6504717c6771b90014fdab75/FL401_0223.pdf

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All the details you need are here . I had assumed I didn't pay because of low income at the time but in fact these orders are quite rightly free. When I did it I filled it in and took it to the county court. The judge had me come to his chambers , asked some questions and granted the order. I took it home and gave it to my now ex. I explained I had been to the police station and told them what I was going to do. They advised to call them on 999 if I thought he would be violent . I knew he wasn't and never has been . Just lazy and financially abusive . (Sending all his income home to his birth country leaving me to support a mortgage 3 kids and 2 adults on my salary . Plus all bills)

He moved to stay with a friend that day.
Our relationship improved immensely. He returned to his home country and has remained an engaged and devoted father . We are very good friends 15 years later - but without that occupation order he would never of moved and things would of got so bad that the relationship would never have recovered - which is something I really didn't want for the dcs

Furrydogmum · 12/05/2024 10:43

If his name isn't on the deeds/mortgage can't you change the locks while he's out, and refuse him back in? I know you'll still have to arrange a settlement but at least he won't be able to abuse your children any longer!

Didn't see your updates - glad you're moving things along 😀

MotherOfDragon20 · 12/05/2024 10:48

This is your children’s childhood, they only get one. They will remember this forever. Do NOT make them live like this any longer. Put your children first and get him out. Don’t ask him, tell him to leave. Sort the finances out later.

badwolf82 · 12/05/2024 10:54

Sorry, missed the update. Well done on taking action.

Kittensat36 · 12/05/2024 10:55

I felt stressed reading about what an arse he is, never mind living with him.

You've made the right choice getting rid of him. Your children will be so much happier just being kids.

As for you, well imagine if you hadn't - see yourself in 30 years time in a dystopian retirement with a joysucking misery of a man who, now he has retired, has the living room as well as the study for his hobby.

Good luck, OP.

Pineapples1234 · 12/05/2024 11:08

BusyFinch · 12/05/2024 07:37

Yes I am going to ring the solicitors in the morning to discuss exactly that. I do not plan to tell the kids what is going on until after he’s gone. It’s for me to deal with and I want him gone with as little fuss and as quietly as possible.

Edited

I think you should tell DC because it's an abusive relationship they are in with him and leaving is the most dangerous time. "Don't touch my kids or else"... what? Isn't going to work any more. He's already lost. And he's laid hands on your son already, your daughter has come to you before to say she's scared for her safety. IMO they both need to know because the danger towards them has just ramped up.

Do it the legal way, don't change the locks on him, as others have said it's the marital home he has a right to be there as he effectively co-owns it though marriage. Proceed as if he won't leave voluntarily, he will take advice between now and month end, realise he has rights and dig his heels in.

Also don't delay, there are rules about short marriages versus long ones, so time is of the essence. You're the one with the biggest assets so you're the one with most to lose.

Inertia · 12/05/2024 11:10

Well done. Your children will be incredibly relieved to get this malevolent presence out of their lives.

He’s trying to use DARVO tactics on you-he’s accusing you of being abusive by discussing divorce after he’s physically assaulted your children. I would seek police advice about this , because I would fear for your children’s safety at this point.

Pineapples1234 · 12/05/2024 11:12

You could also get the house up for sale. As it's a marital asset he'll have a claim on it's value but as it is solely in your name I think you can sell it without his consent. You just can't legally hide the money from the sale to prevent giving him any in the divorce.

TiredCatLady · 12/05/2024 11:12

Editing post as saw your update. Good divorce the horrible prick. If he hasn’t fucked off by the end of the month change the locks and watch for him being even worse with your kids now.

Pinkpoodle44 · 12/05/2024 11:16

When he's gone your children will open up and tell you about more things he has said done that you don't know about. They are too scared of him right now to tell you.

It's like a literal prison, hell on earth.

You'll all feel so much better when he's gone, and you'll look back and wonder how on earth you coped/put up with him at the time.

Good on you OP, your new life awaits! Freedom, space, health, healing and joy..

If he starts anything contact the police, it's when a woman leaves/relationship breaks down that men can be dangerous xx