Worried about Drumcree

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I feel like an interloper here and apologies if this isnt in the right place.

im really worried about the decision over Drumcree and I can’t see it ending well today either way.

I have no time for Jamie Bryson or Carla Lockhart and it seems that tensions have been stoked on both sides.

My parents (and one set of grandparents) were a mixed marriage - my mum and dad moved to England in the 1960s, and my granny and grandpa moved back in the late 70s/80s once they retired. Im aware I don’t have enough if a real understanding, but I have enough to be worried.

again, im sorry if this is the wrong place or offensive.

So you haven't, then. That's ok - i figured. You should try it. Might give you some perspective.

No, it doesn't.

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Yes, it does. Dinosaur bones weren't discovered and officially named prior to the 1800s, but the Bible recorded such creatures - describing creatures that could only be dinosaurs - hundreds of years prior. Remember that the word dinosaur wasn't coined until 1841.

Local Gaelscoil to close tomorrow over Garvaghy Road impasse
The disruption caused by the impasse means the local Gaelscoil, Bunscoil Eoin Baiste, will not open tomorrow morning, RTÉ's Colman O'Sullivan reports.
Political efforts to resolve the dispute are set to continue with both nationalists and unionists calling on Northern Ireland Secretary Chris Bryant to intervene.

From rte news. School kids being held to ransom because of this ridiculousness.

Jesus christ this thread is depressing. As a protestant I genuinely don't get why the OO want nor think they've the right to march where they're not wanted. My partner is catholic.... I genuinely don't give a shit about green vs orange. But surely someone with half a brain cell can see its antagonistic to march in an area that is mainly nationalist. Most normal people just want a peaceful life

I don’t agree that the thread is depressing. Most people on it think like you do and the other one thinks dinosaurs were mentioned in the bible.

No fair enough of course there are many sensible comments. It's just depressing me that some still can't see sense.

Like have your traditions and 'culture'... but willingly inflicting it on others where you know it'll cause pain is just cruel. There are plenty of other roads to march where they'd be welcome. It sucks

I don’t give any credence to anyone who calls Irish people “terrorist sympathisers” so I don’t expect them to say anything sensible. I feel sorry for the children they’re teaching though.

I think of this passage every single time I see her.

I'm 47. I fully believe I will see a UI in my lifetime. I think brexit brought it forward 5 years too.

I genuinely have pity for the Unionist/loyalist community because their whole culture is so steeped in bitterness that they can't see how embarrassing they are. Their whole identity is this determination to be more British than even the English. It's mental.

The Brits/English don't want us... we cost them a bloody fortune and are nothing but a headache. If they have any opportunity to hand us back to the republic, they'll jump at the chance.

In the meantime, if the Scots or Welsh leave the union, then what?

We are primarily ruled by a government that we can't even elect (NI Westminster ministers have no actual power compared to the main Uk parties, let's be honest).

Oh and the funniest part? If you're from here, the vast majority of people on the mainland just consider you Irish, no matter how British you think you are.

Well Drumcree 2026 is triggering to anyone who lived through the original. And was life changing and devastating to some.😕

I'd ask why is the community minded Orange Order is stirring the pot and picking at old wounds, but I know the answer: domination, entitlement and hate.

Absolutely. Why would they want to go where they are not welcome? They are deluded & completely insane.

I live in NI, in a v loyalist part - I am actually given a bit of hope by the fact that many people here accept that the OO are not welcome at Drumcree. There isn't the same anger and indignation that characterised the stand-offs in the 1990s. I think they know that the old days of uncontestable unionist domination are over. Thankfully.

I’ve taken hope from this too and the fact that the vast majority of the online chat is condemning the OO for this. I take heart that many of the loud voices here are from my daughters generation and that those in their 20’s don’t want this kind of crap any more.
The sooner the DUP see this the better.

I woke up yesterday depressed, shocked and disappointed at the court decision.
I woke today proud that both attempts at this (they tried again & failed at 4am!) were blocked by the protestors. There have been some silly & nasty comments here, but largely sensible, this gives me hope for the future. Let’s hope that talks today begin some common sense actions.

Ah so they did actually try again at 4am? Fuckers. I have only sky news here and been scant talk this morning on there about it all but that is good they were stopped but the balls of them trying again, they are like naughty toddlers at this stage trying to get their own way.

Outside optic. Oldish person, live in English area with Irish links, ancestry strongly Irish. Visited Northern Ireland for the first time this year. So beautiful, everyone so friendly, quality of life (roads, services etc) seems to exceed England. But OMG - the flags. The orange. Murals of the royal family? I feel like I bought the story of peace in Ireland because I so wanted it to be true yet what I saw suggested sectarianism is alive and well. The violence peppered my childhood on the tv and occasionally made its way into my real life, school bomb threat hoaxes, some actual bombs - obviously not the same as growing up there, just saying to illustrate how badly I wanted the peace to be a true one, for equality and respect to be given to all. All this and the march makes Northern Ireland look like it is driving forward whilst looking in the rear view mirror. Reinstating a march after all those years?

Does it matter what I think as an outsider? Well, maybe not but it’s not a good look for tourism and nor would I have thought for anyone looking to invest in Northern Ireland. It makes Northern Ireland look backward. I am baffled that this was sanctioned and disappointed that there are even people requesting this.

That's a very encouraging post thank you AInightingale.

There have always been voices in NI which condemned atrocities, no matter which side committed them, and which has always extended sympathies to all victims of violence, not just the ones from 'our side'.

I hope those voices, like yours, and the majority of those posting here, get stronger.

As I've said a few times already, Unionists and Loyalists are where they belong, Ireland is their home, and they are not responsible for the historical wrongs which, objectively speaking, led to them being here.

The Irish Free State, later the Republic of Ireland, went out of its way in the 1916 Proclamation and the 1922 and even the rather more conservative 1937 Constitutions to guarantee the rights and freedoms of Protestant,/Unionists.
[and of the Jewish community, they too are explicitly protected under the Irish Constitution].

In fact, there was positive discrimination in favour of the Protestant minority in the independent Ireland, to make sure that they were not overwhelmed by 'majoritarianism'.

How we square the circle of a united Ireland when a very vocal minority of people are invested in staying in the UK is difficult, but there has been a lot of progress.

Which makes the decision to allow the march all the more frustrating - could they not have left well enough alone?

Yes, I absolutely cannot understand the decision to allow it.

It is totally poking the hornets nest. Wonder will we find out the actual reason behind allowing it at the last minute come to light today? Be interesting to see the excuse for this.

The Drumcree parade was refused, then the OO put in a Judicial Review of the decision which showed the Parade Commission didn't even look at the application. So it seems like they were embarrassed into then saying yes. Its been a shitshow since the start. The OO deserve their applications to be taken as seriously as anyone else.

Surely this particular parade application should be a ‘no’ as it’s very clearly just looking for trouble?
I don’t think this specific application deserved any time tbh.

Exactly @turkeyboots and I will be interested to find out why this specific year they put in a judicial review and why it was approved because someone somewhere knew they would get this approved and I would like to know whose pockets got lined.
@Abbybright no it should not have been entertained and hasnt been for nearly 3 decades so explanations will be interesting. It is shady as fuck.

For all saying its only 35 men walking at 8am on Sunday morning with no band, please see attached direct quote from Carla Lockhart. That's all it would be this year but they are using it as precedent to apply for more and more in the following years.

This is nothing more than an desperate election tactic to stay in power following the shit show that has been the DUP. Unionism/loyalism this year has been connected to race riots, paedophilia - commiting of and hiding of, support of genocide, stubborn banning of girls being allowed to wear trousers to school, members harassing women, and a baby/affair scandal. Nationalism on the other hand has the success of the Fleadh were both sides actually came together. It is no coincidence this has been pushed this far this year.

This is an attempt to.unite the unionist vote by dragging us backwards. dup is dependent on us living in fear to get votes. How much can these narcissist "leaders" care about their constituents if they are willing to provoke and anyagonise violence just to stay in positions of power they dont deserve because theyre ultimately shite at their jobs.