JoJo Dullard

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The details emerging are just beyond shocking. I just hope that the family get justice and those who knew pay the price.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/family-missing-jo-jo-dullard-9984097

@Lisanoonan Since JoJo went missing he’s gotten married and had kids and a successful life by all accounts. And he’s never been charged despite it all. Likely he never will be. Whether some locals give him a hard time or not, doesn’t seem to have made a difference. The person who told me about him was clear he wasn’t well liked but was seen as untouchable.

LM will never be charged with Deirdre’s murder unless a body and DNA are found. Everything points to it being him but he’s gotten away with so much because of how clever he is. The only reason he was caught for that woman he served time for was pure luck - a few minutes either side and those men would not have been there and that woman would be on the vanishing triangle list.
She does seem to have been his last victim on irish soil.

He refused rehabilitation in prison, has never shown any remorse, never admitted guilt. He is a true psychopath and will have made sure no trace is ever found of Deirdre. Unless there’s another case like Graham Dwyer where unusual weather and chance collide to expose evidence, he’s living his life in peace.

Well at least that particular scrote, LM , is pit of the country now. He would have done it again.
Those kind of men don't care.

The horrific thing is, it's likely LM did murder other women but has gotten away with it,

Oh for sure. He was probably up in the wicklow mountains every year.

Remember when he was caught , and they told him that he had traumatised the woman, he said "well she's alive isn't she".

Like she was very lucky. Because other women hadn't survived.

Yes, but but by that time they were essentially hubs where women with crisis or unplanned pregnancies, and/or no family or other support, could access medical support/social workers/adoption services/back to work help. As in, the women seeking their services weren't being marched in there by parish priests against their will. (Which is of course not to diminish the horrors and coercion of periods before that, and not long before that at all.)

I'm incredibly sad about JoJo Dollard. She was close to my age, I used to hitchhike a fair bit, and I'd just come back to Ireland after living in the US when she disappeared, and I was struck by how, despite being so young she'd already lost both parents and been raised by her older siblings. It's dizzying to think of all the years of life I've had now, in my fifties, that she didn't get to have. I realised that very sharply when reading 'The suspect is a 55 year old man', because in my head, he was 55 then. Of course he wasn't, he wasn't much older than she was then. He's had all this life, too, that she didn't get to have. I remember her older sister on TV appealing for information. I always remember her face, because she looked exactly as you would imagine you would look if someone who was essentially your child had been abducted without trace -- as if she were in hell.

@Euphonious thats exactly how her sister looked. In total and utter anguish. I don’t know that I’d stay sane if someone in my family was missing, presumed murdered and the culprit was being protected by the state, bragging about it, whilst my family member was being painted as a feckless, no good person who wasn’t worth justice.

@Lisanoonan he is that other countries problem too. Last I heard he was living in south London with a woman who was fully aware of his identity and very annoyed her friends would have nothing to do with him when they realised who he was.

How any sane person could be in his company without wanting to run away or serve vigilante justice is beyond me. I don’t often say this but the world would be a better place without him in it and it’s a shame he wasn’t dealt with whilst he had no escape. There’s no way he has reformed, he’s likely just more careful.

I have to say there's many good men.

But I've also met a lot of men in Ireland who have the attitude of Larry Murphy.

They don't see women as human , just as objects.

@jouxlake the speed and confidence he was able to kidnap that woman with is a clear sign he was well practiced. To do something like that on a public road and immediately be able to subdue her - he was so sure of himself.

And there is no way on earth a man with that kind of hate towards women or lust for violence would stop because he was afraid of being caught.

If he’s in London still or U.K. in general, there’s a much more transient population in many urban areas and a lot of people with no social network. So much opportunity with lower risk for him.

Thank God those men were there at the time.

And helped her.

@Lisanoonan I remember growing up in the 80s and 90s and realising for the first time how men viewed me and it was horrifying. And had the full support of church, community,state and media!

The late 90s felt like we saw a huge wave of social change where men’s attitudes to women were concerned but I’ve noticed, like most countries with access to people like Tate or Trump, it’s feeling like the 80s again in some places.

Yeah some men definitely abuse women in many different areas of life, simply because they can.

It's sad

I really understand what you mean in your first sentence!

I remember when i was young , just thinking of myself as human and normal.

Then I began to see how some men saw me, they viewed me as having low intelligence and as a sexual object.

I had never seen myself like that. It is shock when you start to experience it.

I feel angry for jojo. I'm sorry jojo that our countrt failed you and he got away with it.

@Lisanoonan yes! Realising they saw me only in relation to what use I had to them, and understanding this was not only normal but fighting back made you the odd one!

I clearly remember being about 8 and refusing to come in from playing to clean when my brothers weren’t being asked to and my dad shouting ‘what man will want a big mouth like you who won’t cook or clean and do what she’s told’ and thinking ‘I’m a child! Why would a man want me!’

No wonder so many women were harmed and nothing done when that’s what the common attitude was - men can do what they want and if it’s bad, well you probably deserved it. Fiona Sinnott. Imelda Keenan. Fiona Pender. All victims of men in their lives, who all had alibis, and all painted the women as the problem so people moved on and stopped looking for justice.

That JoJo having an abortion was enough for her to be the ‘bad’ one and the murderer to go on with his life undisturbed just about sums that attitude up.

He was living in Amsterdam when friends of mine were doing bar work there, and used to come in to the bar where they worked . They wouldn't serve him, and reported him repeatedly to the police as a risk to women drinking in the bar, but they worried later on when he left Amsterdam that in fact all they'd done was driven him away to somewhere where his reputation was unknown, and where he would therefore be more of a risk.

You still see the attitude in Ireland these days.

That men are kings and women are servants.

I have a lot of cousins. All of my female cousins have left home and are renting their own places.

My two male cousins are living at home wit their mammies. One of my male cousins in 30. The other one is 40. Both of them have their mammies running round after them. They don't lift a finger

I'm so sad about this. To think the whole country has been screaming for her to be found for decades, yet so many people knew all along.

I got a bit upset when I saw the headline on Monday and was hoping for a charge, though I knew unlikely.

At least now everyone knows who he is and he no longer has protection.

Let's hope something comes of this... and against those who helped him.

@Lisanoonan yup the king babies, pampered by mammy to think women exist solely to meet their needs! And surprised women no longer give them any attention because they are so incapable of being an adult.
What mammies don’t seem to get is, this treatment breeds contempt and hatred in their little princes that manifests as misogyny at best, abuse and murder at worst.

There's nothing as infuriating as a man getting away with something.

What mammies don’t seem to get is, this treatment breeds contempt and hatred in their little princes that manifests as misogyny at best, abuse and murder at worst.

Do you have a reference for that theory please@Over40Overdating?

She just made an observation. I agree with her.

The irish mammy culture definitely ruins irish men.

The amount of mammies you see running round after adult men. This makes the men think that women are just servants.

I believe george hook said that he was used to his mammy waiting on him hand and foot, then when he got married he expected his wife to do that for him too. She refused.

I'm not sure what's worse: the idea that these women were all killed by one serial killer... or the idea that each were killed by a different man, capable of such brutality, who all got away with it 🥺

There's a lot of bad men in Ireland. I've met some absolutely shocking men

@Snoopyandlucy a father, grandfather, several uncles, brothers and scores of male cousins, all treated like demi gods by their mothers, who treat or treated their partners like domestic appliances and have a deep and abiding contempt for women. The better ones are just common or garden misogynists. The worst ones extreme domestic abusers. My family sample size may be the more extreme end, but it’s far from unusual.

Thankfully my nephews, nieces and the children of my cousins are being raised with a much more egalitarian mindset.