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UtopiaPlanitia · 15/10/2026 15:44

Wow, Ruth Coppinger isn't daft enough to try the old "DSDs are as common as red hair" to Irish people - seeing as this place is coming down with redheads she'd make even more of a twit of herself 😆

Abhannmor · 15/10/2026 18:23

Yes , @UtopiaPlanitia she would have to sell the idea that 13% of Irish people are ' intersex '. It would cause chaos at Lisdoonvarna.

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/10/2026 19:34

Abhannmor · 15/10/2026 18:23

Yes , @UtopiaPlanitia she would have to sell the idea that 13% of Irish people are ' intersex '. It would cause chaos at Lisdoonvarna.

Now I have Christy singing on a loop in me noggin 😆

Genesis1v27 · 18/10/2026 12:51

Sall Grover was on the Pat Kenny Show on Newstalk this morning.

Sex vs Gender Identity: Giggle v Tickle

Pat speaks to Sall Grover, founder of 'Giggle for Girls' - an app designed as a women-only online community and support network that was taken offline after sustained controversy and legal pressure. Sall outlines the events that led to the Tickle v. Giggle legal battle, the role of the Australian Human Rights Commission, and what the court ultimately decided about sex, gender identity, and access to women-only spaces.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7rumi3SgdLFtItB9yOeIg7

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/10/2026 16:31

Genesis1v27 · 18/10/2026 12:51

Sall Grover was on the Pat Kenny Show on Newstalk this morning.

Sex vs Gender Identity: Giggle v Tickle

Pat speaks to Sall Grover, founder of 'Giggle for Girls' - an app designed as a women-only online community and support network that was taken offline after sustained controversy and legal pressure. Sall outlines the events that led to the Tickle v. Giggle legal battle, the role of the Australian Human Rights Commission, and what the court ultimately decided about sex, gender identity, and access to women-only spaces.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/7rumi3SgdLFtItB9yOeIg7

Thanks for posting the link. Just finished listening to it there now - Sall was allowed a lot of time to explain her situation which was useful. The standard ﹟BeKind questions about 'intersex' and children being 'born in the wrong body' were asked (Sall must get so bored of that but it's useful for the audience I spose). Sall was able to answer all the questions rationally.

I think it was a good radio appearance and the audience would have got something from it.

Genesis1v27 · 18/10/2026 17:30

She was very clear and direct. Several of the listener comments Kenny read out afterwards were fully in agreement with her, I only heard one critical remark.

Nara2k · 18/10/2026 20:04

He is usually pretty 'be kind' - was he a bit more receptive today? Will listen tomorrow, ty for posting!

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 19/10/2026 15:43

Allowing Sal to speak at all is a huge step forward! The fact it's on mainstream radio - and the Pat Kenny show no less - marks a real turning point I HOPE!

Abhannmor · 19/10/2026 18:10

I heard a clip Sall posted on FB. Yes Kenny challenged her but respectfully and she made her points well. Now I've never been a fan of PK tbh but that was a very professional interview and he was fair and didn't seem to have a particular agenda. Compare and contrast the Sarah Smith interview with poor old Glinner. She went at him like a mad thing from the start.

But that's Newstalk. Don't think RTÉ are quite there yet. Remember Liveline opened it up for discussion? And shut it down again pronto !

honeyrider · 19/10/2026 22:21

Newstalk used to have that big girl's blouse Kieran Cuddihy on with the bore Alison Curtin and some other twat on Fridays and they regularly mocked gender critical views.

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 19/10/2026 22:21

Joe Duffy had never opened such a big can of worms 🫣🤣

honeyrider · 19/10/2026 22:32

honeyrider · 19/10/2026 22:21

Newstalk used to have that big girl's blouse Kieran Cuddihy on with the bore Alison Curtin and some other twat on Fridays and they regularly mocked gender critical views.

Alison Curtis.

Genesis1v27 · 21/10/2026 19:07

This is the RTÉ report on the TENI presentation to the Oireachtas committee on sport today:

'Exclusionary policies' preventing transgender people from sport, committee told
Wednesday, 21 Oct 2026
By Róisín Cullen

"Exclusionary policies" are preventing transgender people from playing sport, an Oireachtas committee has heard.

The Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport was having a discussion on inclusion in sport this afternoon.

The Executive Director at Transgender Equality Network Ireland (TENI) also told the committee that trans people should be able to participate in the gendered categories "that is their gender".

In opening statements, Daire Dempsey said children as young as 12 and adults "have been asked to leave their clubs as a result of an exclusionary policy decision that was made within their national governing body".

They also told the committee that people who have been valued and committed members of clubs "are being excluded, or being asked to leave, or being told they cannot continue participating, training, or competing".

They said this is due to policy decisions based on "bad research", "poor science" and misconceptions.

The Executive Director said there has been a "marked increase in negative and political discourse about trans people participating in sport, particularly in the last five years".

As a result of this, they said, sports bodies and states around the world have introduced "exclusionary policies to restrict or ban trans people from sport".

"Many of these policy decisions are fuelled by deeply flawed research by concerns about safety and fairness that are well-founded but misdirected".

They said an estimated 1% of the population is trans and "most people don't know anyone who is trans".

"Decisions about our access and our participation in sport are being made by people who not only are not trans, but perhaps have never met or spoken with trans person," they said.

They said policies for elite competitions "trickle down to grassroots or recreational sports clubs".

They said trans people have always participated in sport, and have been valued members of clubs around Ireland.

"We want trans people to be able to head to their local GAA club, or swimming pool, or sailing club on a Saturday morning and have fun, and be part of a team, and stay healthy, and be treated the same as everybody else," they said.

They said everyone should have equal opportunities on a level playing field, including the trans community,

Social Democrats TD Daniel Ennis said it was shocking that "children as young as 12 have been asked to leave clubs" as a result of such policies, and asked what changes could be made to prevent that happening and harassment.

Daire Dempsey said: "Trans men and trans women should be able to participate in the men and women's categories."

They said there are some sports where "the split between genders is only happening at a competition level". However, in other sports, they said the split "happens at the level of basic training, basic recreation".

"This really does impact people the whole way down," they said.

"We should be encouraging trans people to be able to get involved in sport and to be afront for who they are in that sport."

They said: "Saying you can come and play sport,but you have to play in the gendered category that you're not, or the team that you're not, is not a route into sport."

"We need to be allowing people to be participating in the sport for who they are."'

'Challenges that cannot be wished away', says Mullen

Independent senator Ronan Mullen said while he has "great sympathy for people who want to belong", he also has sympathy for parents "who want to make sure their children are secure and safe".

He said the "matter of young girls not being endangered by physically stronger biological males" is a "very real concern", and was reflected in the policies of sporting organisations.

"That is important. It cannot be wished away," he said, adding that there are also concerns about "women's safety in women's spaces".

"The concerns that they have are real. They are evidence-based, and they can't be wished away in the context of a general desire for inclusiveness."

He said there will have to be "give on all sides" when it comes to a resolution.

"There are challenges in the discussion, and those challenges cannot be wished away," he said.

Senator Mullen said he is "vocal and will continue to be vocal about the need to keep young girls safe, in the context of sporting events and how they are organised, and also women safe, in the context of the protection of women's spaces".

He said he hopes that "we can be creative in finding ways nonetheless to have an aspiration that's towards inclusion as opposed to marginalisation".

'No advantages'

In response to Senator Mullen's comments about safety, Deputy Ennis re-read Daire Dempsey's briefing document "that we all should have read".

"There is no direct or consistent research to suggest that either transgender women or transgender men have athletic advantage in sport," he read.

He highlighted the harassment that transgender people face, adding "it doesn't help when you're getting that from public reps as well".

He asked Daire Dempsey if they wanted a chance to respond to Senator Mullen's comments.

They said it "feels common sense to say there are biological differences between women and men and that results in an advantage or disadvantage in sport".

They continued: "Actually, when you get into the literature and the research that exists... we don't find that.

"We don't find that trans women or trans men retain any advantages over other women or men in sports," they said.

"It's really challenging to have that misconception be bleeding through the actual evidence that's there and informing the policy decisions that are being made, without us, without consulting with us," they said.

In relation to the safety of women and girls in sports, they said: "Safety is as key for us at is for everybody around this room."

"When we look at trends around gender-based violence, it is overwhelmingly violence, that is committed by men against women. It is not violence that is stemming from trans people," they said.

They said trans people experience "extraordinarily high rates of gender-based violences and sexual assault" in general.

MarieDeGournay · 22/10/2026 00:13

Genesis1v27 · 21/10/2026 19:07

This is the RTÉ report on the TENI presentation to the Oireachtas committee on sport today:

'Exclusionary policies' preventing transgender people from sport, committee told
Wednesday, 21 Oct 2026
By Róisín Cullen

"Exclusionary policies" are preventing transgender people from playing sport, an Oireachtas committee has heard.

The Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport was having a discussion on inclusion in sport this afternoon.

The Executive Director at Transgender Equality Network Ireland (TENI) also told the committee that trans people should be able to participate in the gendered categories "that is their gender".

In opening statements, Daire Dempsey said children as young as 12 and adults "have been asked to leave their clubs as a result of an exclusionary policy decision that was made within their national governing body".

They also told the committee that people who have been valued and committed members of clubs "are being excluded, or being asked to leave, or being told they cannot continue participating, training, or competing".

They said this is due to policy decisions based on "bad research", "poor science" and misconceptions.

The Executive Director said there has been a "marked increase in negative and political discourse about trans people participating in sport, particularly in the last five years".

As a result of this, they said, sports bodies and states around the world have introduced "exclusionary policies to restrict or ban trans people from sport".

"Many of these policy decisions are fuelled by deeply flawed research by concerns about safety and fairness that are well-founded but misdirected".

They said an estimated 1% of the population is trans and "most people don't know anyone who is trans".

"Decisions about our access and our participation in sport are being made by people who not only are not trans, but perhaps have never met or spoken with trans person," they said.

They said policies for elite competitions "trickle down to grassroots or recreational sports clubs".

They said trans people have always participated in sport, and have been valued members of clubs around Ireland.

"We want trans people to be able to head to their local GAA club, or swimming pool, or sailing club on a Saturday morning and have fun, and be part of a team, and stay healthy, and be treated the same as everybody else," they said.

They said everyone should have equal opportunities on a level playing field, including the trans community,

Social Democrats TD Daniel Ennis said it was shocking that "children as young as 12 have been asked to leave clubs" as a result of such policies, and asked what changes could be made to prevent that happening and harassment.

Daire Dempsey said: "Trans men and trans women should be able to participate in the men and women's categories."

They said there are some sports where "the split between genders is only happening at a competition level". However, in other sports, they said the split "happens at the level of basic training, basic recreation".

"This really does impact people the whole way down," they said.

"We should be encouraging trans people to be able to get involved in sport and to be afront for who they are in that sport."

They said: "Saying you can come and play sport,but you have to play in the gendered category that you're not, or the team that you're not, is not a route into sport."

"We need to be allowing people to be participating in the sport for who they are."'

'Challenges that cannot be wished away', says Mullen

Independent senator Ronan Mullen said while he has "great sympathy for people who want to belong", he also has sympathy for parents "who want to make sure their children are secure and safe".

He said the "matter of young girls not being endangered by physically stronger biological males" is a "very real concern", and was reflected in the policies of sporting organisations.

"That is important. It cannot be wished away," he said, adding that there are also concerns about "women's safety in women's spaces".

"The concerns that they have are real. They are evidence-based, and they can't be wished away in the context of a general desire for inclusiveness."

He said there will have to be "give on all sides" when it comes to a resolution.

"There are challenges in the discussion, and those challenges cannot be wished away," he said.

Senator Mullen said he is "vocal and will continue to be vocal about the need to keep young girls safe, in the context of sporting events and how they are organised, and also women safe, in the context of the protection of women's spaces".

He said he hopes that "we can be creative in finding ways nonetheless to have an aspiration that's towards inclusion as opposed to marginalisation".

'No advantages'

In response to Senator Mullen's comments about safety, Deputy Ennis re-read Daire Dempsey's briefing document "that we all should have read".

"There is no direct or consistent research to suggest that either transgender women or transgender men have athletic advantage in sport," he read.

He highlighted the harassment that transgender people face, adding "it doesn't help when you're getting that from public reps as well".

He asked Daire Dempsey if they wanted a chance to respond to Senator Mullen's comments.

They said it "feels common sense to say there are biological differences between women and men and that results in an advantage or disadvantage in sport".

They continued: "Actually, when you get into the literature and the research that exists... we don't find that.

"We don't find that trans women or trans men retain any advantages over other women or men in sports," they said.

"It's really challenging to have that misconception be bleeding through the actual evidence that's there and informing the policy decisions that are being made, without us, without consulting with us," they said.

In relation to the safety of women and girls in sports, they said: "Safety is as key for us at is for everybody around this room."

"When we look at trends around gender-based violence, it is overwhelmingly violence, that is committed by men against women. It is not violence that is stemming from trans people," they said.

They said trans people experience "extraordinarily high rates of gender-based violences and sexual assault" in general.

Oh here we go - more nonsense, like trans IDing men are not a threat to women, and transpeople experience "extraordinarily high rates of gender-based violences and sexual assault" - without a shred of evidence of course.

I started writing an email to Dep Ennis, asking if he thought was right for a public representative to simply repeat TENI's unsupported claims, which are easily refuted eg their claim that there is no evidence that men have an advantage over women in sports - there's loads of it!

But I decided to wait until the transcript of the Ctee is published on the Oireachtas website. I want to see who else was invited to speak - if it was just TENI I'll be furious.

In the UK they had Stonewall Law, where Stonewall gave legal advice that was just plain wrong, and the consequences are unravelling now for organisations who applied Stonewall Law instead of The Law.

Our equivalent is 'TENI Expertise' - in the drawing up of the GRA2015, TENI were the only 'experts' on gender consulted, and they were deferred to as 'the experts' not only by TDs and senators, but also by other professionals, incl medical, who were also making presentations to Oireachtas committees.
They just abdicated in favour of TENI's 'expertise' every time.

So I'll wait and see if it was just TENI, in which case I'll complain to the chair of the cttee, as well as to Deputy Ennis.

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/10/2026 00:20

Thanks for posting that @Genesis1v27

How the blessed feck are there still people bald-faced lying and stating on record in parliaments that there is 'no evidence' of men having sporting advantage over women and that there are no safety risks associated with males being allowed in female sports and spaces. And more mind-blowingly there are politicians actually falling for this reality-denying shite.

Do they think we're blind? That we can't see and reason our way through the problems for ourselves!?!?

It's like they're living in a social timewarp with information services that are running about 10 years behind the rest of the modern world, or they're too stupid to realise/remember that men are stronger than women and that mammals can't change their feckin sex.

I can't believe that these gobshites are considered to be responsible public servants and are expected to properly run a country.

Honestly, the calibre of people in public life has become greatly reduced in recent decades. We've gone from the era of Charlie Haughey devious shenanigans to Micheál Martin's 'men can really be women' blather. What did we do to deserve this?

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 22/10/2026 10:26

It's too early in the day for me to comment, this has raised my BP to dangerous levels 😠

I will leave this here though:
They said an estimated 1% of the population is trans and "most people don't know anyone who is trans"

So much pandering to 1% of the population!

Abhannmor · 22/10/2026 14:25

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 22/10/2026 10:26

It's too early in the day for me to comment, this has raised my BP to dangerous levels 😠

I will leave this here though:
They said an estimated 1% of the population is trans and "most people don't know anyone who is trans"

So much pandering to 1% of the population!

They swing from 'common as being left-handed ,green eyed , red haired, you've shared toilets, changing rooms and showers with us and never noticed' right over to ' we are just a tiny teeny minority, it probably won't ever affect you , so why are you being so horrible?'

Aaaaargh!

MarieDeGournay · 23/10/2026 13:48

Right folks, here's what I've found out about who was invited to the Committe - it's interesting that only TENI were quoted in the press, because in fact there were other groups there as well
Joint Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport

12:30
Inclusion in Sport

  • Ms. Niamh Tallon, Founder and CEO of Her Sport, Her Sport
  • Mr. Mohammed Mahomed, Co-founder & CFO of Her Sport, Her Sport
  • Ms. Aimee Williams, Her Sport
  • Mr. Fintan Drury, Chair, Sport Against Racism Ireland
  • Mr. Taha Hassen, Young Leader / Coach, Sport Against Racism Ireland
  • Mr. Aidan Walsh, Chairperson and Co-Founder, Sporting Pride Ireland
  • Ms. Karina Murray, Sporting Pride Consultant, Sporting Pride Ireland
  • Daire Dempsey, Executive Director, Transgender Equality Network Ireland
  • Luna Lara Liboni, Research and Policy Manager, Transgender Equality Network Ireland
Oireachtas committee schedule – Houses of the Oireachtas Weds 21st Oct

I've had a good look on the website of 'Her Sport' [don't know why it's doubled, 'so good they named it twice' like NY, NY?😄] and they don't seem to have any policy statement re what 'woman' means.
However, there are links to reports about trans inclusive statements by sporting bodies, but none about any objections to men in women's sports, so hazarding a guess......😒

I've emailed them, asking if they apply the current IOC eligibility rules for women's sport, which means it's for biological women only.

I'll let you know what answer I get.

If Her Sport is trans-inclusive that means women-as-women were not represented at all at the committee - but I want to be sure of my facts first, e.g. establishing that TENI were not the only group - it's just that only they made the media reports😠

Genesis1v27 · Today 09:52

Joe Duffy is interviewed in the Sunday Independent about his new book today. I have zero sympathy for the well-paid ex-State propagandist, but the snippet here shows the power of government-funded lobbyists to determine what can and cannot be discussed on air:

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/books/joe-duffy-i-was-so-demoralised-with-the-onslaught.-i-saw-my-own-staff-crying-with-the-phone-calls-we-were-getting/a/162839434.html

Watch the video section from around 3:20.

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