SPHE whistleblower

[TheLurkingOne]

Is there already a thread about this? I didn't see one.
This teacher is speaking about a training session she attended re the delivery of the SPHE content in irish secondary schools. It seems the topic includes teaching children about porn, fisting, rimming.....

I'm all for classes for teens approaching the topic of porn, what it is, what it's implications are and the exploitation that comes with it, what constitutes a healthy relationship, sex, consent etc etc but this just seems unnecessary and graphic.

The later part of the video refers to the indoctrination of children, how politics and education are linked.

I'm interested in other people's views here. I almost don't know what to think. I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of my young teen children being taught these things, but is it me who is being unreasonable? Is this stuff they need to know?

Not sure how to do clicky link; maybe this copy and paste will work.

I'm about to watch this video today, I'll come back later to see if there's more chat here

You think they are going to be sitting down actually teaching children how to engage in fisting, rimming etc? Are you a fan of the Natural Women's Council idealogy in general? I'm GC but not a fan of hers/the group

Hi MILLYmo0se
Yeah I can't see my kids teachers going for it to be honest.

I don't know the natural women's council at all.

I watched the video and I want to know what others think of it and actually whether anyone thinks it's one of those things where the reality of what's taught in school is far removed from the stuff this teacher says they are being told to teach. Ie. Is it nothing to be worried about or something I should be concerned about.

Ya, my point was I don't believe for a second that is what the curriculum is about or what teachers will be expected to teach, anymore than I agree with the far right protests in Coolock which also feature in their videos

Thanks MILLYmo0se that's helpful. As I said I don't know the group, had no idea they are far right. I just know some of my acquaintances are going to get very fired up over this video, and I'd like to know more and take a balanced view. Is this just frothing I wonder.

Pure utter false news. This drives me absolutely nuts. What is really fucking annoying is the curriculum is published. It is consulted on. Stop the nonsense everyone please fact check.

And please do not start with my second cousin heard xyz, nonsense. I have read the curriculum and the video is pure ignorant scaremongering.

Thanks Marbles, also helpful.

You can look at their YouTube channel to get a feel for their standpoint as a whole, I would advise this for anything circulating on social media, who is putting forward the messege whatever it may be. This is being pushed by the same groups that told us that we as mothers and the family (as in mum, dad and children) were being pushed out of the Constitution. There were issues with the changes being proposed, but I don't think acknowledging the many differing setups that are functioning families was one.
And respectfully, as Marbles says the curriculum itself is there for your to look at, judge it as it stands by itself and not how it is being put forth by a group with an agenda.

As others have said please, always always go to the source do not be used to up anyone's views. Do not share anything you haven't fact checked. Because that is part of the problem.

That is how the absolute scum of the earth are getting their voice heard.

We are all very vulnerable when it comes to triggers about protecting our children. But please remember 99%of individuals are sensible human beings it is a very few who aren't.

Whole section of Journey 2 text book (2nd year) dedicated to masturbation. Journey 1 for 1st years delivers gender ideology as fact, for 1st years. ASTI (teacher's union) are advising teachers who are uncomfortable with the content and approach not to teach it.

Masturbation was explained to me back in the 90s! Seriously do you want them left ignorant? It is included because research shows time and time again information on sex comes from unreliable sources.

The curriculum is on ncca and viewable for all. I fail to see how a book explaining what transgender means couldn't be fact.

My child was taught about sex acts and gender transition in 5th class. The year above received a lesson in porn and anal sex. This was delivered via the wiser program mentioned in the video. I wish it was only masturbation and only in secondary school. This is happening, regardless of whether you’d like to think teachers would be smart enough to avoid it.

Their program is published on the website. It doesn't specify anal sex but I do not see the issue if teaching sex wouldn't you include anal sex and oral sex?

We are talking sex education, not solely heterosexual sex education. Are we now denying gay going people their information?

Why is teaching the same child any different ? What bias does that show? Why are people so reactive?

If you don't believe the 11 year old is going to run out and have sex after sex education then why do people equate different concerns to non heterosexual sex education? I find that absolutely fascinating as an educator.

As a parent it is my primary duty to provide all information but there are plenty who wouldn't so obviously the education system has to kick in.

Children learn about the pride flag from early primary and trans is part of it. They may have family members of the trans community or have questions, I don't have an issue with the curriculum so would expect the programme to align closely.

Their junior and senior cycle materials line up well with the approved national curriculum.

No thanks. My 11 year old does not need to know the details of oral and anal sex and 12 year olds do not need to know about sex toys and porn. If you want your national school aged kids to learn about it then go for it. At home. Away from my kids.

To put it in context your 11 year old if he has a mobile or friends with a mobile. He sadly has probably seen porn.

Do you want him informed with facts or do you want him thinking what is shared in the playground is an accurate depicted of a healthy consensual sex life?

Your post above called these classes “false news”. Now you are indeed advocating for a class of 11 and 12 year olds to learn about porn and anal sex at school?

make up your mind. I accept that there are some teachers and parents who think this is a great idea. I am not one of them and my child should not be subjected to these classes. I’ve said no thanks. The first thing you should learn before coming near children is that no means no.

Perhaps these porn lessons should start in 1st class since there are some children who get their first mobile phone aged 7 and some begin puberty at 8?

There are some very interesting studies on the link between depression and exposure to sex at young age.

A decent sex ed programe is important but nothing about this suggests that young kids are being taught boundries.

It is way too much.

sex wouldn't you include anal sex and oral sex?

Only if you include the dangers of anal sex for females, with clear instruction on their biology and different muscle structure in the pelvic region.

Other wise it is a complete ethical failure - instructing young children and confused teens that everythiinggoes all the time any time. Utterly unfair on them.

It should be approached the same way we approach alcohol advertising/public health anouncements - you can do this but the results are that.

As a parent it is my primary duty to provide all information

Surely your duty would be to provide the correct information. Same as food - you don't provide all food because not all of it is good for them.

Exact same principle here.

@TheLurkingOne -
Thank you for posting that.

I will certainly be having a look at what is going on in DDs school.

Parents should definitely keep a close eye on what their kids are learning at school. The required reading book for English turned out to have a pretty awful sexual assault scene in it. Everyone harps on about what their kids are already accessing on the internet, by my child plays Roblox and chats to her friends, the awful stuff including bullying has all come from school.
Luckily she will begin vocational training shortly so we don’t have to worry about bizarre and inappropriate school curriculums

This piece in SPHE is not being rolled out until 2027 that's why it's not being taught yet. However the books have been written.
In second year they are spoken to about Masterbate...these topics are age sensitive and in my opinion should not be discussed until children have reached the age of consent. I go out of my way to make sure they have no access to this type of stuff online therefore I can tell you my kids will not be taught it in school if I've anything to do with it.

Utterly grim. It’s all about blurring the boundaries.

The state has a duty to educate and inform all children regardless of parents beliefs. We do not want to return to the ignorance of the past. You are always free to remove your child from the lessons.

Regardless of your beliefs surely you want them to be informed?

Masturbation should be taught alongside puberty. This isn't about boundaries this is about educating a child as to what is perfectly normal behaviour.

You are aware it is perfectly normal for very young to engage, plenty of parents asking about the behaviour and being reassured it isn't an indication of abuse. The same children needs to reassured it is normal while being private. Now imagine that child in a home where it is seen as a horrendous scandalous activity, can you appreciate how damaging that can be?

The amount of women my age who were convinced they were going to hell because of the lack of knowledge is astounding.

All child protection research clearly sets out information is protection.