SPHE whistleblower

[TheLurkingOne]

Is there already a thread about this? I didn't see one.
This teacher is speaking about a training session she attended re the delivery of the SPHE content in irish secondary schools. It seems the topic includes teaching children about porn, fisting, rimming.....

I'm all for classes for teens approaching the topic of porn, what it is, what it's implications are and the exploitation that comes with it, what constitutes a healthy relationship, sex, consent etc etc but this just seems unnecessary and graphic.

The later part of the video refers to the indoctrination of children, how politics and education are linked.

I'm interested in other people's views here. I almost don't know what to think. I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of my young teen children being taught these things, but is it me who is being unreasonable? Is this stuff they need to know?

Not sure how to do clicky link; maybe this copy and paste will work.

If you have epilepsy and take medication for the rest of your life etc etc.

If you have surgery as an adult then no you can't return to your birth sex status.

This isn't new and I am not talking about children having surgery. I believe consent could only be given at 18+.

Puberty blockers are given to children for a whole host of reasons, e.g. early puberty. Are we going to stop that and make 6 year olds have periods?

No, we should let medical professionals work out what is the most beneficial approach.

I don't want to side line this discussion into the seventy billion versions already on this platform.

I accept others choices that's as simple as I can make it.

Absolutley.

Eh nope not the same. There is open appointment international and national peer review, consultation etc . Saying to me and atheist it is the same is just insulting my intelligence.

I accept others choices that's as simple as I can make it.

As long as it agree with your own?

Most on this thread do not agree with the over reach of schools and government in the sex ed.

Majority of your push back is "fake news", "far right", "conservative" etc. It really does not siggest someone who accepts others choices.

I use critical analysis, consider the research and apply decades of experience working through pure utter nonsense, to be quite frank.

If someone isn't happy to teach the national curriculum there is a process to indicate that. If that same person hasn't engaged or isn't willing to engage with the framework of CPD for the new curriculum then they will need to.

@Marblesbackagain

Not really. History is littered with minority views taking over and imposing in majorities.

Religion
Royalty
Aristocracy
Various political theories

and now, sex is best crew.

Most people want something in the middle.

And there is absolutely no scientifc proof that a human being can change sex. None.

Even if they have operation after operation, they still have not changed the core biological functions of their bodies.

And we continue round and round.i disagree as do a lot. I fully believe some are born in the wrong body.

You have the right to your opinion as do I.

It's the only body they'll ever have, so they might as well get used to it.

And that's were transitioning comes in.🧐

So mutilation and drugging are the right actions for unhappy adolescents? How do you think anorexics should deal with their mental health issues? Liposuction?

As I said before I am not engaging in the carousel that is on numerous alternative threads . But for clarification purposes I clearly stated in my opinion surgery at adult age 18.

So you want to enforce gender stereotypes by methods up to and including mutilation? Does the SPHE programme promote those gender stereotypes or is that just your own private preoccupation?

As I said twice before I am not engaging in the carousel that is on numerous alternative threads. Please respect a posters position.

By the way, that was an honest question. Does the sphe programme promote gender stereotypes? That is one of the most dangerous things the young are exposed to these days. Telling them about their sexed bodies is one thing, and can be done in non-dangerous ways. But genderism is an unambiguously destructive belief system.

As I have said in several posts please refer to the NCCA website where the curricula are viewable by all.

link?

If there is nothing about there importance of imposing gender stereotypes in there, why do you approve of it? If, as some believe, gender stereotypes are just oppressive reductive nonsense that people should ignore, then how can a body be wrong?

@DeanElderberry it's www.ncca.ie. for the final time and to be honest you really are being disrespectful now, I am not engaging with off thread. There are numerous threads for you to engage in the subject specifics.

You are the one who started talking about 'wrong bodies' and surgery. Until you did it would not have occurred to me that this programme would include anything on that subject. Why should it? Sexed bodies, consent, dangerous practices (choking, imposed secrecy), dangerous people - age and power differentials - there's plenty else that it is important to talk about.

That isn't correct. The legal age to start primary in Ireland is between 4 and 6. Many children start at 4,they are not anomalies. Transition year is entirely optional in many schools accross the country. It's not uncommon, given how expensive it is, for students to go directly to the senior cycle at the age of 15.

Read the Curriculum.

I have. It's dire, inevitably given that the law has now abolished sex and women and men. The curriculum is written around the concept of gender and does not mention sex - sexuality yes, sex no. So there is nothing to stop the textbooks presenting the dangerous and distorted view that people inevitably have 'a gender' and must, therefore, conform to a set of gender stereotypes.

That's not my experience. Educators work on the premise of being 16 in senior cycle. Schools have policies in place to strongly encourage parents at enrolment at various stages.

The accepted norm is aged 5 (by end of the first enrollment year) + 8 years primary and 3 years brings them to transition year at 15.

If I remember correctly 98% schools offer it and over 75% take part. Generally the reason they don't is due to they are in the older end of age. Parents are encouraged as third level and leaving cert requires as much maturity as possible.

It would be unusual and not encouraged to have the learner be heading to third level before 18. The younger age impacts on stats of the being successful.

Yes xyzeft school at 16, but those days due to Early years provision is pushing that out of practice thankfully.

If Educators work on the premise that the students are at least 16 and deem it acceptable to introduce adult content then they are failing, and the teacher is possibly endangering, the children that are younger.
The assumption that schools encourage transition year is incorrect. Many parents cannot afford transition year and not every child attends college. School Principals will generally be mindful and tactful about this. My local secondary school would have very mixed income families and I would estimate approximately one third to half do transition year every year.

The contents is for 16+ not adults.

Transition year is mandatory in a growing number of schools. Hopefully this will grow, it really benefits the learners.

Nationwide 70% of learners and climbing go to third level that includes apprenticeships.

There is more and more programs of support to encourage continuing third level. Hopefully it will keep rise.