SPHE whistleblower

[TheLurkingOne]

Is there already a thread about this? I didn't see one.
This teacher is speaking about a training session she attended re the delivery of the SPHE content in irish secondary schools. It seems the topic includes teaching children about porn, fisting, rimming.....

I'm all for classes for teens approaching the topic of porn, what it is, what it's implications are and the exploitation that comes with it, what constitutes a healthy relationship, sex, consent etc etc but this just seems unnecessary and graphic.

The later part of the video refers to the indoctrination of children, how politics and education are linked.

I'm interested in other people's views here. I almost don't know what to think. I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of my young teen children being taught these things, but is it me who is being unreasonable? Is this stuff they need to know?

Not sure how to do clicky link; maybe this copy and paste will work.

Well, clearly you don't.

Because most of the actual experts disagree with you!

Marbles, teachers are on the thread, telling us that is way to much room for error.

You keep saying it is fake news.

The best way to back that up is to engage with the teachers on the subject and answer their concerns with data, fact and proof. Can you do that?

ABSOLUTELY.

But is seems to me that it is not really teaching them about sex - it is teaching them about porn.

Also - why the F**K is all identity your sexual tendencies only? I mean, sex is a part of my life but only a part. It has taken on way too much importance.

The video is purporting that some and I emphasis some content considered for the Senior cycle. Those who are at sexual consent age or just before.

Purported by whom? I'm sure Norma Foley would have clarified that, if this were the case, in her interview this evening.

It is so obvious why it is needed. You are stating your puberty age child doesn't need to know about masturbation

The video isn't telling children about masturbatuon, it's showing them how. (A woman, not a man of course. How'll the boys manage at all at all?)

Why shouldn't he know heterosexual norm and homosexual norms ?

You are framing this as an equality issue when the two norms are inherently unequal. There is much greater risk associated with anal sex than vaginal sex, for both boys and girls. How and by what methodology do you propose safe anal sex is taught? Is it the job of the SPHE teacher to talk about preparation and lubrication? Has anyone told them that?

And what about the other sexual practices referred to in the video? Can you really introduce the concept of rimming without discussing the potential for infection? And fisting? What about choking? Surely your're not suggesting concepts be thrown at teenagers without consideration to safety?

I agree that it's important that 'homosexual norms' (?) are not othered in schools. But framing this as an LGBTQ issue is, at best, reductive.

Unfortunately he can't and so he is reverting to name calling. ' Biased, prejudiced and othering' to be exact...just managed to stop short of bigoted! This is the defensive mechanism of someone who knows they've been ousted....I had a similar response when I asked a question about the implications of the Cass report on the SPHE teachers Facebook group a number of months a ago...it was very suspect that the lady gaslighting me happened to be an author of one of the books and a participant on the DCU course while the lady who blocked and removed me from the group was the author of another of the SPHE books. 🤔

Norma Foley went on national radio yesterday and told outright lies. She cannot say with authority and this content would 'never' make it into the classroom....does she have a camera in every classroom in the country? Oh no I forgot, she just banned them and is going to spend 9 million of our money putting them in plastic pouches to ensure that there is definitely no cameras in any classroom in the country.
How is this 'misrepresentation when there is photographic evidence of the fact that pornographic material was used and shared during this course.
Her cheerleader Kieran Cuddihy smirked gleefully and did numberous eye rolls (the clip is posted on their X account) as he spread 'misinformation' stating that this lady was a 'former' teacher (when she has publicly stated that she is no longer teaching SPHE but is still teaching in Ireland) and publicly discredited this lady while the Minister presented the view of another participant on the course as undisputed fact.
Further to this, this lady and the producers of the video were refused the right to reply...how is that journalism?

See statement below from NWC(producers of the video)
We sent our statement in via email, a text to 53106 and on WhatsApp. I called Newstalk (Dara) twice and he refused to let us on the show following their coverage of our whistleblower interview - where their host made a false and defamatory statement saying its “misinformation - just ignore it”. This clearly illustrates how one sided the Irish media is and we will be filing a complaint to the broadcasting authority. Talking about us and a teacher but refusing to let us speak. All credibility is gone @NewstalkFM #ntfm .
What’s really misinformation is @NormaFoleyTD1 communication to public and we will continue to expose this corruption and sexualisation of our children in Ireland.

Because the common factor of lack of information and communication. That's when before the gotcha comment! 🤣

Well it's in the curriculum set by the appointed experts 🤷‍♀️

The video is fake news it is being shared across WhatsApp saying the material relates to primary school. That is not true it is a lie.

I have provided a robust reference, NCCA. I expect qualified teachers to source further details themselves.

I am going to keep this brief, I have a funeral to get to.

But to put this in brief context, the video is currently circulating in school what's app purporting to be what 5th and 6th class children will be studying in new curriculum.

That is not true, this can be verified by reading the various education stage curriculum on NCCA. What will be offered in class will be within the curriculum. This is the same of all subjects.

Again, the video content on Masturbation is not in line with the curriculum. Teachers will using the tools keep to the boundaries, they do in every single subject that is the national curriculum.

I am not a national school teacher but an educator in third level. Reading the curriculum, I would see explaining the words e.g. masturbation, factual and perhaps a little about social change in the lies their parents were told, e.g. you would go blind etc and that it is perfectly normal part of development.

It has been pointed out by several posters throughout the thread that the teacher in the video is clear she is speaking about secondary schools. Dismissing what is discussed on the video because some people, not on here, believe it relates to Primary school is an effort to discredit the teacher. She has been referred to, on here, as a liar and far right. The video has been referred to as fake news. But the reality is that what she said was factual and correct. The misrepresentation came from Norma Foley on Newstalk yesterday evening, with absolutely no challenge from the Newstalk interviewer whose entire body language screamed bias.

Anywhere near what is on the curriculum is for the he senior cycle. The senior cycle is for consenting individuals. They will be 16+.

So yes all information is appropriate they are in the eyes of the law able to consent to sex so yes they should be fully and I mean fully informed.

@Sunlightinclouds I appreciate your point regarding the video context.

However, I have been asked for clarification on several versions which are cut to infer it is for primary children.

And to be perfectly honest when engaging with teachers it would not be unusual to work beyond the curriculum, to have difficult discussions, activities etc.

It's a pedagogical appropriate, simulating an environment to make them uneasy, boundary pushed . Because that is what teachers say about challenges teaching these subjects.

They need the skills of being uncomfortable and working through it. Genuinely the material approved on the curriculum won't bring about the uncomfortable feeling as they are in an adult forum so you bring materials that will push their boundaries to bring the learning back to , I did xyz in the training this is doable.

I have had parents contact me in a panic and to be honest they were very upset. That is why I am so incensed at how this video is being used to scare parents. There are clear disruptors using this to push their agenda.

I didn't hear the Ministers approach but I wouldn't be surprised as communication isn't I feel very strong.

In my opinion what needs to happen is for everyone to read the very accessible curriculum and then pause and appreciate the audiences for the material.

People are comfortable with their beliefs and opinions rarely feel the need to lash out and revert to name calling or shutting down a conversation when their opinion is challenged.

You were blocked because they didn’t have the ability to answer your question it is too big a threat to either their world view or their income…

By the way, the age if consent in this country is 17 not 16!!

Marbles, you sound like you might have designed the DCU programme!🤔

And there are 15 year old children in the senior cycle. I can think of at least 3 I know personally.

I worry about teachers that are very enthusiastic about teaching children about sex acts.
SPHE teachers in the future may include a disproportionate amount of men who may have applied to be scout leaders/ priests/swimming coaches in the past, before they discovered safeguarding.

Yes but a sixteen year old can legally give consent. They can't consent where there is a significant age difference. Hence most people ensure 16 year olds are included in discussions.

If they are in the senior cycle they are anomalies. As schools are actively encouraged to ensure they do transition year which would mean they are 16 unless they started school at 3.

But surely, if you can change sex, you do not need to take medication for life.

As in, if you stop the medication, the body reverts to it's original status.

Therefore, you can commit to life long intervension to have a faxsimilie, but cannot, in fact, become the opposite sex.

You can however, believe that you are the opposite sex.

Therefore, the beliefs of "you can change sex", and "God is real", actually belong together.

The confidentiality agreement sounds really dangerous. That's how the Catholic church enabled abusers for decades, by forbidding victims from talking about what they'd experienced, thereby stopping them from seeking help and from realising they were not alone. Many of those abusers were teachers btw.

Children need to know about privacy, respect and reticence, but they also need to know about openness and truth and about being able to say no and to be able to refuse to participate in something that is making them uncomfortable. If this education is safe and appropriate, parents or other adult guardians should be welcome.

But not secrecy agreements. That is a massive red flag.

The "curriculum set by the appointed experts" taught that God is real for millenia.

No I work in another discipline but I have had experience in the pedagogical approach to teacher training for a professional reason, specifically language attainment. So I suppose I know how I would approach it if I had the challenge.

I also have a background in child protection training however that was over 20 years ago and was about raising awareness of a certain phone line.

So yea I have had some professional experience but no I assure you I haven't had anything to do with this.

I would assume those that have may have signed something to prevent them engaging as that is quite common now to keep the message consistent and avoid confusion.

I hope that helps you understand my position a little better.

As an educator, you are remarkeable in your ability to both ignore and discredit other educators.

Many on the thread have pointed to a variety of problems with the materitral, not leats one who has no training but will be out in charge of this material anyway. Obviously a terrible situation for both her and the students.