Referendum!

[springbrigid]

Anyone inclined to give an opinion? I am leaning towards a yes/no vote, the yes to remove what I see as sexist language in the constitution, the no because the government are so appalling in terms of providing services and rights to disabled citizens and I feel the clause is paternalistic and pushes care on families yet again

https://gript.ie/roderic-ogorman-says-he-will-not-release-minutes-of-meetings-on-constitutional-changes/

What is he hiding???
VOTE NO NO

Roderic O'Gorman has also threatened the NGO's to promote a Yes Yes vote or they'd be answerable to him and risk having their funding cut.

Yes that's right @honeyrider blackmailing right, left &, centre. Why does this self serving government need this bill to pass so badly?
There is something rotten in the state of Ireland.

Oh look, referencing gript again 🙄, sure no agenda here. Their lovely editor who characterised the head of Amnesty International as a "cretinous stain on the Irish national discourse who’ll say whatever Soros pays [him] to" and is currently being sued due to spreading lies about who was responsible for the attack at Coláiste Mhuire.
Like I said, continual derailing of every thread on Irish politics

And for those in the audience who believe themselves superior to those who use all sources for research.

www.irishtimes.com/politics/2024/01/01/progressive-organisations-must-explain-any-decision-not-to-support-referendum-says-minister/

Are you seriously invoking Desmond Fennell? Who wrote social Darwinist tracts on how white Europeans were being ‘bred out’ of existence?

I’ve already asked - what does ‘all sources’ mean? Why can’t you answer?

Again for those who believe themselves superior.

A previous MOD and (need to check) member of the Seanad.

www.michaelmcdowell.ie/mcdowell-condemns-o%E2%80%99gorman%E2%80%99s-department%E2%80%99s-foi-cover-up.html

I would be interested in people's knowledge of the McKenna judgement. Are the publicly funded NGO's breaching guidelines in using public funds to campaign for a yes vote? I think they have done so in the past but is it an actual breach or is it a loophole that the Government are using to their advantage?
Anyone with knowledge of this area?

@springbrigid

Can show the quote where you specifically asked me where I research?

I obviously missed the direct question.

Apologies

Most likely a loophole

Again not gript but I'm will be rubbished by some.

www.supremecourt.ie/supremecourt/sclibrary3.nsf/(WebFiles)/7C7E694523FDA84F8025765E003CC0C5/$FILE/McKenna%20v%20An%20Taoiseach%20(No%202)_1995.rtf

It seems on one hand they should not use public funds but along as it does not breach the constitution it is permissible.

Now there's a constitutional change I would vote yes to change

Thanks for that.
Though it does make Roderic's demands that they are answerable for not supporting a yes vote look very dodgy indeed.

@springbrigid conveniently ignores all the posts pointing out Roderic O Gorman as deplorable redirecting of funds, blackmailing ngos & his depraved hopes of bringing transgenderism into the Irish classroom. Also refusing to release the minutes of a private Dáil meeting regarding the outcome of the referendum if a yes vote wins.

Just to reiterate Roderic O Gorman

1. Redirected 1. 1 million in funds earmarked for the Magdalenes & Irish ethnic minority groups & gave the money to Transgender groups instead.

1. Wants Transgenderism introduced to primary school curriculum!

1. Has been blackmailing NGOs. He has threatened to remove their funding if they do not support a yes vote. And they will need to explain to him why.

1. He has refused to release the minutes of the meeting in the Dáil regarding the outcomes of what will happen if a yes vote passes. What the hell is he hiding?

1. He is one of the main supporters of passing a Hate Speech Bill. Why is their no referendum on this?

He is one dangerous man who is not working for the good of Irish citizens.

VOTE NO NO.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4775633-roderic-o-gorman-irish-minister-tweet-for-trans-visibility-huge-backlash-in-ireland-read-comments-under-tweet

Linking an old mumsnet thread here just to jog people's memory!
VOTE NO NO!!!!

We can only hope that he does not get in in next election 2020 took 6 counts for him to get a seat

He has managed to do a lot of damage for the most marginalised and vulnerable in his tenure.

He refused until last week to sign off on the DECIDY budget so no funding could be released.

What’s with all the weird rants about Roderick O’Gorman? Listed 1-1-1???
Calm down, you’ll do some damage whipping yourself into such a frenzy. Sad to start the day with a tantrum.

@VoteNONO

Not just any transgender group. TENI who had their HSE funding revoked for huge financial transgressions

This is taxpayers money over 13 million and for 4yrs did not produce adequate audited accounts.

m.independent.ie/irish-news/hse-suspends-transgender-equality-network-funding-for-failing-to-produce-financial-accounts-despite-getting-tens-of-thousands-in-grants-from-the-state/42080480.html

But Rodders happily "redirected" taxpayers money to a group who chose to be unaccountable when evidence of where the funding was spent was requested.

Government funding is not just a pot of money lodged into an account. Money can be ring fenced for one use only which must be returned if not used in full for that purpose. Pay is another ring fenced amount.

Non disclosure of accounts can be taken as redirected funds misused.

Funding can also be one offs and or reoccurring.

It's not as simple as here you go so what you like.

I have a feeling Rodders gave NGO's campaign funding but conditions were Yes campaign only.

‘I have a feeling’
great research there

🤣🤣🤣 Just gleefully reminding folk, not a tantrum at all!
Love the way you are unable to dispute the facts about this man & his crystal clear agenda!
VOTE NO NO!

@Dublincailin yes it was TENI!
I feel Roderic O Gormans PR team have infiltrated this thread in the form of @springbrigid@springbrigid who very clearly hasn't a clue just on the defensive 🤣

unable?
No, just have no interest in engaging much further with someone who cites gript as a valid source and can't seem to manage to count beyond '1'!

But you go back to parroting the messages from a right wing rag edited by someone who is so out of touch with what the electorate actually want that they have failed to be elected multiple times (despite trying via different political parties - nice integrity) and have been on the losing side for the last few referenda. Keep up the conspiracy rants, keep accusing people of having an agenda or 'not doing their research'. Ultimately, keep up with the bile and bigotry, the sound and fury signifying nothing....it's sad, really. Poor you, must be awful to be so wrong and be on the losing side all the time.

I'm old enough to have voted for the Communist Party when I lived in London. A veteran Jewish socialist called Solly Kay . Went on my first gay rights march in the late 70s. Yet now I'm routinely called anti semitic , transphobic and right wing. Sigh. Naturally I voted Yes to Repeal and Equal Marriage.

I couldn't vote in the 80s Referenda. At the time UK media blamed the failure of Divorce on the awesome power of the church. But my very devout aunt put me right on that one. ' Nothing to do with religion ' she said , ' this is all about the settlement of property '.

Ever since I have been more careful about disparaging or second guessing people's motives be they left , right or centre. Roderic O Gorman doesn't seem very ' sympatico' with the needs and wishes of women. But I don't think he's an evil person or part of some deep state conspiracy. So far from being anything deep he is way out of his depth - a privileged mediocrity.

So , in conclusion : trust me I'm an adult. I can read something by gript or Mary Kenny and still remain a socialist, feminist ally , gay rights supporter and unrepentant Fenian bastard.

@springbrigid

I never said that was research however I am very aware how funds are allocated and that is an educated guess based on my knowledge of fund allocation.

Still waiting for your direct quote asking me directly for research material.

Also I have added several links just this morning.

If the best you have is to comment on "I have a feeling". OK then!!!!

@springbrigid

I don't think I have used Gript as a link.

Although if I have I will happily apologise when you have posted a direct quote