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babbygabby · 23/11/2023 22:50

I don't think the English ever set fire to cars and attacked public service aid staff because one Irish dude stabbed somebody somewhere.

No but there have been mosques attacked, an attack on a detention centre, individuals attacked in “retaliation” & an increase in general far right terrorism. It’s the same mentality imo.

Mooshamoo · 23/11/2023 22:50

anotherside · 23/11/2023 22:30

@Mooshamoo

Support for the EU in Ireland is at 88% so virtually the whole of Ireland disagrees with you.

That is because we receive a huge amount of money from the EU.

We should really stand up against the "freedom of movement" rule in the EU, but we all know that Ireland wont because Ireland would lose a lot of money from the EU, if we do fight back against any of their rules.

Wordsworse · 23/11/2023 22:51

It’s like the good old days

JaneJeffer · 23/11/2023 22:51

rideashitehorse · 23/11/2023 22:42

I can't believe the rioters are Irish. They must be English out to cause trouble (maybe bussed in via ferry?) No real Irish person would be racist or anti-immigration.

Were you driving the bus?

Mooshamoo · 23/11/2023 22:52

rideashitehorse · 23/11/2023 22:42

I can't believe the rioters are Irish. They must be English out to cause trouble (maybe bussed in via ferry?) No real Irish person would be racist or anti-immigration.

Good joke! I've heard so much anti foreigner stuff said by Irish people over the years

Wordsworse · 23/11/2023 22:53

@rideashitehorse ha ha ha.

Waving a Palestinian flag. Aye right.

Mooshamoo · 23/11/2023 22:54

Ireland should challenge the freedom of movent rule into Ireland, but me , you and everyone knows that Ireland wont, because of the masses of money that Ireland receives from the EU.

Irish government values money over anything else.

Loulou599 · 23/11/2023 22:59

@babbygabby
I think you're missing my point. My point is that attacks by foreign nationals are an everyday occurrence in France and the UK. But a single isolated incident in Ireland and people seem to go crazy rioting in the streets? What is that? And although I understand the sentiment I find it quite shocking that the man was surrounded and kicked in a circle like that

MMBaranova · 23/11/2023 22:59

>That is because we receive a huge amount of money from the EU.

Ireland, as one of the richer countries, is a net contributor to EU funds and has been for ten years.

That doesn't mean that there hasn't been significant EU spending in Ireland. The balance has however shifted.

theleafandnotthetree · 23/11/2023 23:00

Mooshamoo · 23/11/2023 22:54

Ireland should challenge the freedom of movent rule into Ireland, but me , you and everyone knows that Ireland wont, because of the masses of money that Ireland receives from the EU.

Irish government values money over anything else.

Ireland is in fact a net contributor to the EU since 2013. As well it should be, we benefited enormously from membership for a long time, continue to do so from the point of view of trade and have a responsibility to - and a vested interest in - creating a more cohesive and equal Europe where some of the newer countries build strong internal economies.

Loulou599 · 23/11/2023 23:01

Ireland, as one of the richer countries, is a net contributor to EU funds and has been for ten years

As Irelands only industry is undercutting the rest of us in the EU and operating as a tax haven, this is only right and amounts to our own money being paid back to us

Mooshamoo · 23/11/2023 23:02

theleafandnotthetree · 23/11/2023 23:00

Ireland is in fact a net contributor to the EU since 2013. As well it should be, we benefited enormously from membership for a long time, continue to do so from the point of view of trade and have a responsibility to - and a vested interest in - creating a more cohesive and equal Europe where some of the newer countries build strong internal economies.

How free is the EU if no country can really challenge it's rules.

Like we can't say - we'll be an EU member, but we will do this bit, but not that bit. Or choose what we would like.

Every EU country has to allow freedom of movement from every other EU country, and it does not work practically.

That is why the UK left the EU.

lesdeluges · 23/11/2023 23:07

Loulou599 · 23/11/2023 23:01

Ireland, as one of the richer countries, is a net contributor to EU funds and has been for ten years

As Irelands only industry is undercutting the rest of us in the EU and operating as a tax haven, this is only right and amounts to our own money being paid back to us

I often wonder why other EU countries didn't introduce low Corporation Tax rates to match or even undercut Ireland's attractive rate. Any ideas, there was nothing stopping the wider EU from doing this was there?

In any case CT has been harmonised somewhat now, so Ireland's rate is 15% now, still way lower than the 22% CT rate in the US. So naturally a lot of MNCs from the US take advantage of that. Open to all EU countries to do the same.

AInightingale · 23/11/2023 23:07

Loulou599 · 23/11/2023 22:59

@babbygabby
I think you're missing my point. My point is that attacks by foreign nationals are an everyday occurrence in France and the UK. But a single isolated incident in Ireland and people seem to go crazy rioting in the streets? What is that? And although I understand the sentiment I find it quite shocking that the man was surrounded and kicked in a circle like that

I wasn't aware of that. Are you talking about the attacker? Because if you are, he couldn't have been kicked hard enough. Into the fucking Liffey with his hands tied, preferably.

babbygabby · 23/11/2023 23:10

@Loulou599 is it a single isolated incident? are there any other tensions eg housing? I don’t know what point I’m missing? I making the point that I don’t think the reaction by some in Ireland whilst wrong is completely left field when looking at other countries. I wouldn’t say attacks by foreign nationals are an everyday occurrence in the UK & as already mentioned one reaction has been an increase in far right terrorism. Attacking the Gardai is probably not so comparable to other countries but I’ve always thought there were tensions between some sections of society & the Gardai.

babbygabby · 23/11/2023 23:11

That is why the UK left the EU

Not done anything to reduce migration though has it!

justasking111 · 23/11/2023 23:19

I wondered when this would all kick off. It's been simmering for a long time.

brunchfiend · 23/11/2023 23:21

MoreCraicPlease · 23/11/2023 22:17

We’ve never gone anywhere at all of course. We Irish like to stay at home and not seek food/shelter/life in another country for centuries.
What age are you roughly? Maybe you don’t remember the mass departures from Ireland in the 50s-mid 90s. Where would we have been had we been rejected from those countries?

Sorry but this is the absolute stupidest argument ever. Like it's mind-numbingly stupid. Where the actual fuck does the idea that the people who stayed in Ireland who stayed in Ireland owe some sort of debt to the world because other people left. The people who stayed are by very definition not the people who left. They aren't the same people and they in fact made the literal opposite life choice.

JaneJeffer · 23/11/2023 23:23

they in fact made the literal opposite life choice
Usually funded by the people who left sending money home.

justasking111 · 23/11/2023 23:26

JaneJeffer · 23/11/2023 23:23

they in fact made the literal opposite life choice
Usually funded by the people who left sending money home.

Bollox.

babbygabby · 23/11/2023 23:28

Usually funded by the people who left sending money home

that’s nonsense

brunchfiend · 23/11/2023 23:28

Loulou599 · 23/11/2023 22:59

@babbygabby
I think you're missing my point. My point is that attacks by foreign nationals are an everyday occurrence in France and the UK. But a single isolated incident in Ireland and people seem to go crazy rioting in the streets? What is that? And although I understand the sentiment I find it quite shocking that the man was surrounded and kicked in a circle like that

This is far from an isolated incident in Ireland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Aidan_Moffitt_and_Michael_Snee
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ashling_Murphy
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/courts/limerick-murder-accused-held-in-custody-in-ni-as-court-awaits-international-letter-of-request-for-evidence/1579246498.html

Murders of Aidan Moffitt and Michael Snee - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Aidan_Moffitt_and_Michael_Snee

JaneJeffer · 23/11/2023 23:29

Believe what you like I couldn't care less if you can't handle the truth.

Loulou599 · 23/11/2023 23:30

Are you talking about the attacker? Because if you are, he couldn't have been kicked hard enough. Into the fucking Liffey with his hands tied, preferably

I am talking about the attacker. Apparently he was circled by a crowd and kicked in the head.
Why do you have a police force in Ireland if you believe in mob rule. Is it just because all the other countries have one?