Dublin Stabbings

[honeyrider]

Five people stabbed including 3 young children near a school in Dublin today. I hope they'll be ok.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41275768.html

Marlborough Street is odd and kind of spooky because it has no retail in it. Just the Dept. Education which is a stunning building and the Pro Cathedral. The rest is just run down derelict buildings certainly near the Abbey St. junction anyway. Any time I walk down to get the Luas, the smell of piss at the Marlborough Luas stop is overwhelming. Ugh.

The area around Benburb Street (the former Red Light District) and Smithfield (the monthly horse fair and all its delights) was in bits for donkey's years. It is now all gentrified and I was reading that Smithfield/Stoneybatter is one of the best neighbourhoods in either Dublin or Europe, can't remember, but it got accolades anyway. So it can be done.

It's the dereliction that gets me. There's the old Ormond Hotel for example, right beside Temple Bar and the newly hip Capel Street. It has been derelict for years and years. Then around the corner the old Fruit and veg market was moved out to the M50 and nearly 10 years on it has not yet been redeveloped into what the council said would be something on a par with La Boqueria in Barcelona . There are so many other instances of this kind of neglect that makes me very sad to see.

I think one of the main issues is that there is no one in overall control and management of the city. There are disparate entities like Dublin City Council, the Gardai, the Planning Board, Transport for Ireland, the traffic. Oh I could go on. But who is in charge? Who makes the decisions, is it because many have or want to have a slice of the action that there is total inaction?

But now I think the cork is out of the bottle, and while the stabbings and riots were awful, some good may come of it. I am a fourth generation Dub, which is unusual, and I dearly love my city and its history, but sadly I don't LIKE it much at the moment.

I still have the candy striped brushed cotton sheets and pillow cases I bought in Guineys on Talbot Street 25-ish years ago (bought because they reminded me of the bed linen my granny had when I was little!). They're great quality, been washed a million times and still perfect. I left Ireland a long time ago now but glad to hear Guiney's still going strong even if Talbot St in general is not.

Was Parnell Square where the loyalist bomb exploded in the 1970s? Just thinking the other day that it wasn't too far from where the events of Thursday happened.

Bombs in Dublin were in Parnell Street, Talbot Street on the Northside and on Leinster Street on the Southside, near the National Art Gallery. So yes two of the bombs went off in the areas under discussion.

Southside of the Liffey is leafy, well looked after, and a lot nicer than the Northside. But then again the Dail (parliament) is there along with Government Buildings, the Senate, and the grand old Iveagh House for Foreign Affairs. It has retained and restored much of its Georgian architecture also. The Northside has wonderful Georgian buildings also, but are in either disrepair, dereliction, or pockets of them are restored in hope of better things. I look at Mountjoy Square and the surrounding streets, and the Georgian buildings are wonderful, but many are neglected. A lot of the gentry moved Southside with the introduction of the train to Dun Laoghaire and the seaside, so maybe that's a reason why South Dublin is more affluent now than most of the Northside. There are pockets of wealthy suburbs Northside, but nothing like a many as those South.

Mountjoy Square was quite neglected. Lots of bedsit type accommodation. It was so much rougher than Merrion Sq despite the nice buildings.

https://capx.co/if-everyone-can-be-far-right-then-the-term-has-lost-all-meaning/

There has been decades of neglect within Dublin inner city, not just on the Northside, the southside has much the same issues.

All the drug clinics are concentrated in a small area, from Amien Street, Abbey street, Pearse Street, to Castle Street down the Merchants Quay.

Don't think for a moment that the participants are all born and reared in the inner city.

I worked in the addiction services, we had to bring a rule that to avail of services clients had have been living in the area for a continuous minimum period of 6 months.

The leafy areas are happy to send the problems into the city. They won't have the treatment in their area even though the drug epidemic is everywhere.

This is my home I have been reading about. There are a huge amount of people here who live in the city and we are as just as good as anyone else on this thread.

As for comment up higher commenting that people whose families go back generations in the inner city should have paid stamps for the privilege of living in their local area.

Wondering how much tax should be paid, how many extra PRSI stamps or should we be made pay extra to live where we can trace our families back generations.

And as for the riots, anyone on this thread from Longford, Dublin South, or Swords... well do they like their area to be judged based on a the disgraceful actions of others?

As a person who lives and reared her children in this area (which are like me taxpayer) the comments I posted above are my feelings of the judgement flowing on this thread.

It was me that suggested that people in social housing have to have a minimum number of paid contributions per household to retain their social housing in Dublin. If they have to move away from where they grew up they won't be the only ones. Kilcoole is full of people raised in Greystones. Such is life

Why do you feel judged? We're you out robbing and looting?

So how many stamps, how extra do you propose should be paid?

While everyone is putting the area down, the children attacked along with their carer are from the area. That woman put her life in the line literally for either CE scheme minimum wage maybe slightly higher.

But for people who have a higher education and can afford a €650000 house in Greystones she should be penalised along with everyone else in the area.

The hard cold reality is no one wants to live in the DCC flat accommodation in the inner city.

No fire safety adherence, no lifts, no maintenance, and when it severely snows the privilege of flooding.

The only people willing to live like that have been raised with that standard.

Most don't know any better.

You are told you are lesser enough times. You will believe it.

As for the comment designed to dismiss my feelings.

That is not in anyone's gift to decide how I should feel about the barrage of criticism for my home.

I am still wondering how much/many contributions is acceptable?

Policy makers will be working on this shortly id imagine!. I'd suggest a couple of conditions, a minimum of 104 paid contributions in the last 5 years, with at least 12 with the last 2 years. That is not a v high bar, that equates to work about 40% of the last 5 years, and 25% approx of the last year. Exemptions for mothers of young/disabled kids. Exemption one adult per household.

I thought all DCC flats were being reburbished bit by bit, or knocked down. I doubt there are many DCC flats in such a condition right now unless they are squats. I see the latest project is Dominick Street flats, prime location right beside the LUAS. And there are many others either completed or in line for upgrades. Health and Safety legislation would not allow the council to house their tenants in substandard accommodation.

DCC have a list of requirements that a private landlord has to meet in order to rent their property under the HAP scheme. They cannot expect to provide anything less than those standards for their own tenants. Surely?

If you haven't been to the museum on Henrietta St I'd say you'd enjoy it. The northside/southside city development is covered but the place is a treat for anyone interested in Dublin social history. (Off topic but your post made me think of it).

@lesdeluges

If you say so, I couldn't possibly know the process, I only live here and pay for the privilege. Renovations are done on vacant properties only in order to lease them back out. These can big jobs, in the main because they are boarded up and left for months and sometimes years.

But as regards fire safety, only 5years ago at a residence meeting with the council it was brought up.

The solution offered by council rep have a hammer or something beside the water tank to try to smash it.

Nothing has changed that is still the unwritten, off the record advice in event of a fire.

I will leave you with this then I am hiding this thread.

www.thejournal.ie/social-housing-human-rights-2009407-Mar2015/

Yes. Haddington Road in Ballsbridge has a rehabilitation centre but the road itself has become so run down & unsafe in the past 10 years. It feels so derilict & threatening. I no longer walk to work through Haddington Road. Other parts of Ballsbridge feel similar. Donneybrook is still quite unscathed.

Thanks for the reminder! It's been on my list for ages, so I'll do that.

I love the city of my forebears who grew up in Ship Street/Nicholas Street beside Dublin Castle, very historic area and the tenements were similar to Henrietta Street. My maternal granddad was COI and worshipped in Werburgh Street, and my granny was born near the Daisy Market on the Northside. All her family were traders and ended up in Ship Street and the Iveagh Buildings. The Guinness family were very good to people around Dublin. Granny and her family were fed good food in the "Bayno" and washed in the Iveagh baths.

I could go on, but the social history of the place is amazing. I do love the fabric of the city, but I don't like what it has become much now.

Is there any update on how the little girl is doing ?
And the woman who tried to stave off the attacker ?
Thinking of them and those who love them.

I've heard absolutely nothing except rumours.

I think the law in Ireland is that life support can only be turned off after 14 days?

I really hope it's not that and that they recover, but 'gravely ill' (Belfast Telegraph) does not sound good.

I worked for 12 years in Dublin city centre area until 2019, mostly Docklands area, but I had moved offices a few times. I worked for a well known tech company, and did not know Dublin before moving there (previously I've worked in England, the US but am originally from the Northern Ireland).

There are a lot of "good" (interesting, challenging, well paid) jobs in the area, but very few locals were employed there. I worked with mostly Irish people, lots of English, Americans, and people from most countries in Europe, India, etc. I found it the same with coffee shops and restauraunts. The "economy" of the area was totally disconnected from the people originally from the local area; of course there were a good few "Dubs" but not from the local area. I really think that is a problem.

I do appreciate the comments on the social history of the area, and I understand what you mean. Over time I noticed the same social issues in Dublin (central, docklands) that I know from northern Ireland towns I'm very familiar with. Things like under-employed gangs of youths, casual acceptance of low level crime and vandalism/theft, drugs very visibile and police turning a blind eye. The rioting was not a total surprise for me.

@LadyEloise1 no every time I try and find an article on it there is nothing. @AInightingale I really hope it isn't something like that too.

Can 'gags' be put on the media in Ireland?