Dublin Stabbings

[honeyrider]

Five people stabbed including 3 young children near a school in Dublin today. I hope they'll be ok.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41275768.html

Is there any update on the injured children and teacher? Why is there such a hush about it all. I hope to God they make it.

I think they are going to pull through so there's no 'news' in it. Hopefully anyway.

One child was discharged from hospital yesterday, the teacher is in a serious but stable condition and I think the 5 year old child is still in a critical condition.

A lot of the scumbags that have been before the courts so far are not from the area but travelled in to join in the thuggery - a night out for them. One scumbag travelled in from Longford when he heard what was going on, also a lot of them have jobs and don't fit the deprivation profile that some people are pushing.

God almighty, Longford? That is really scary. You'd have to ask yourself why on earth would a young person from Longford be motivated to travel to Dublin for that. It says an awful lot. That is not what we should be raising our young people to be. You can be right wing, anti immigration etc, but violent children is a horrible thing to see.

They weren't all young. Names, ages and area they live in were in the papers yesterday. Local addresses, Longford, Swords, Ranelagh, Churchtown ...

https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-riots-6231977-Nov2023/

I used to love going on holiday to Ireland it does not feel safe anymore I got followed by three men when asking for directions in a small Mayo town. A shopkeeper told me there is tension in lots of the counties over women and even school girls being harassed.

It is so much more depressing that they weren't all young. Old enough to know better. Pure scum.

I don't know why there is an assumption of these people being young.

You just said yesterday that all immigrants are treated really well in Ireland.

Now you are saying that the Irish people who riot and protest against immigrants are scum.

You are contradicting yourself. Which is it?

If you are addressing me, i think that on the whole, immigrants are treated well here. I can't say the system is perfect, and i can't say there's no racism. But i don't think we're particularly awful. I think we've done well enough actually, given how we were completely white/catholic/irish not so long ago.

Immigrants are not treated well in Ireland @chickenkeev and your defensiveness is ridiculous and is part of the problem. When people pretend that racism doesn't happen and that everything is fine, that is you being part of the problem. As you are denying that it happens. It would be like women saying to men that sexism happens, and the men saying "no it doesn't happen". They don't want to see it, they don't have to see it as it doesn't affect them. So they can simply deny it happens. Easy.

I'm on a group WhatsApp chat. It is a WhatsApp chat for a social group in Irelqns, tha to have gone to. Since the Dublin stabbings, racism in Ireland has been a big topic of conversation in the group.

Many foreign people in the WhatsApp group have said that they have been attacked and abused by irish people.

One Indian man said that he was stabbed by two Irish men , and he was racially insulted.

One foreign woman in the chat said that she was in an Irish hospital last week, and am Irish woman came up to her and hit her and racially abused her.

Countless people in that chat are sharing their stories.

I'm not being defensive though. I acknowledge there are problems. I also 'live the experience' (bleurgh) of a child in a multi cultural school, where we all get on great. And my experience was the same in my child's previous multi cultural school. There is community. It is clearly not your experience, but it is what is happening right now in the country.

Blimey, so disappointing to know that people with jobs travelled from as far away as Longford, so not just local tracksuited yobs living around the corner.

I think it really depends on the foreign nationals, nationally, skin colour and ethnicity on how well there treated in Ireland. A White Christian Ukranian may have a very different story to a Pakistani Muslim.

I am going to share with you all that I have a daughter with a different ethnicity to me. She made me cry on Friday. She told me that she is in her angry upset words "I am Fucking Irish, but I will never be accepted as Irish in this country". But I keep hearing but we don't mean your daughter. I sit at work having to listen to people in there 40' to 60's spouting the nonsense I've read on this thread. I have to go into work tomorrow, knowing I have to listen to more of it and knowing how my daughter is feeling. I'm sick of listening to "I'm not racist but" and "we just have concerns".

If you think we've done pretty well considering, then how about you come to my house and tell my beautiful, kind, considerate, intelligent daughter that. When she is hurting at the moment and scared to go out and about. In all fairness she has not come across racism in her school primary and secondary but it's just not good enough that she feels like this.

You most definitely haven't lived the experience. No more than I have.

You are defensive and you are pretty nasty. I remember writing on another thread that I experienced extreme abuse by Irish people when i moved to ireland and you wrote "that was probably to do with you, that is just your experience , every immigrant that i know is treated well".

That is a horrible thing to say to someone. Its dismissive rude and nasty. And you've said it to me again on this thread.

When a foreign woman came to me and aaid that she was hit by an irish woman and racially abused in a hospital, I wouldn't dream of saying to her "well its because you must be awful. Its your fault. Every other immigrant that I know is treated well in Ireland".

A lot of foreign nationals are coming forward, with their stories this week ,about being abused by Irish people. I'm on lots of groups. Hundreds of foreign nationals are writing on the group's about how they are abused by Irish people .

What are you going to say to the poster here who said that her daughter, who has a different ethnicity, is afraid to go out in Ireland, and that she feels she will never be accepted by Irish people as Irish.

My post is written to @Chickenkeev

I was adressing Moo, who afaik is white British. I am desperately sorry to hear of your daughter's treatment. And tbh, i am surprised. It is not my experience (in that i'm a white irish woman, but i haven't witnessed iyswim). In my daughter's schools, and her friendship groups, everyone gets on and don't bother with race/religion. But i really am sorry that you and your daughter have had a shite experience.

I am not dismissive, or rude, or nasty. But i think we can both agree that we will never see eye to eye.

This makes an interesting read.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/30/why-im-no-longer-talking-to-white-people-about-race

Thank you for this!

I don't think that Irish people are inherently any more racist than other people. We do have to face up to racism in our society and not pretend it doesn't exist and sweep it under the carpet as we have done in the past with other difficult issues. We should be able to have a conversation about immigration and the challenges it presents to our society without name-calling, burning, looting and pillaging. That is hooliganism.

Two points. The congregation outside the City Library in Cork City where they had to close the branch (don't know if this happened elsewhere) and the one outside the Dáil where they had effigies of politicians on a guillotine were very nasty and a wake-up call. We didn't take enough notice. Additionally, the gardaí should have been aware of the activity on social media during last Thursday from mid-afternoon and the so-called "call to arms" and been prepared.

I'm keeping in my thoughts those who were injured last Thursday and hope they make a full recovery.

Quite shocking that the gardaí aren't on top of SM. It's an easy fix like.

You would think someone in Garda HQ has that job @Chickenkeev How could it have been a complete surprise?