Dublin Stabbings

[honeyrider]

Five people stabbed including 3 young children near a school in Dublin today. I hope they'll be ok.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41275768.html

It ia shocking that you could be surprised that this woman's daughter is not treated well in Ireland.

How can anyone not know that many black people experiencr racism in ireland

Have you never talked to black people about their experiences in Ireland?

I can remember several experiences where black people have talked to me about the racism that they received in Ireland.

On one occasion, in my job in ireland, a woman came to give a talk to our workplace. I think the talk was about social inclusion in Ireland.

She was a black lady, extremely well educated, had a PhD.

She told us that the minute that she arrived in Ireland she was told to "fuck off back to Nigeria" three times in the first week she was here. She said that she was spat on a couple of times. She said she used to go home and cry and say to herself "but I'm not from Nigeria". She was from a different part of Africa.

Another black man told me once that he walked into a cinema in Ireland and a man said to his daughter "aine look at the monkey" and pointed at him.

I'm sorry, i can't engage with you because you despise the country and you are not rational when talking about Ireland. I appreciate you don't like it here, but ultimately, an entire country won't change for you.

It worries me that Drew Harris' policing experience before he got the Garda Commissioner job was in the UK where this sort of public order offence is less unusual, specifically in Northern Ireland where it happens annually and until recently was actively encouraged as a way to divide and rule society (see Kitson on gangs and counter-gangs). I think the casual way this element have been tolerated - outside libraries, Gemma O'Doherty's mob etc, particularly since Covid, is in a large part down to his bad leadership, not seeing how much this diverges from anything that happened before * . I know social media plays a part in how easy it is to organise now, but that also should have given the Guards advance warning. As many people have pointed out on this thread, street protests outside the Dail are everyday events, timetabled and organised. This was quite different.

otoh, * it's interesting that the Dept of Agriculture clearly had a protocol for clearing staff out quickly in the event of disturbance (way off on the other side of town) - those sheep farmers back in the 1980s (or was it 90s) driving their flock through the offices clearly left a lasting impression.

I've been remembering the English bloke who sat down beside me in Heuston station and proudly showed me steel toe-capped boots and chunk of 1x2 timber with a nail sticking out that he'd brought from London for the hunger strike protest march in the summer of 1981. He had no strong feelings about the politics, but he'd heard there was going to be a fight, and he did enjoy a fight, and had had a great afternoon.

I was so glad when the gate opened and I could board my train . . .

@Chickenkeev
Surprised? I certainly wasn't surprised when my daughter told me this. I've been waiting for this day to happen. Don't you see how daft it is for a white Irish woman to say she hasn't experienced racism? Just because she is in a multicultural community? Don't you ever hear people say "They're so Irish looking"? What does that look like? My daughter doesn't have this look people think is Irish, but in her words "She is Fucking Irish".

I'm sorry and i'll have to go back and reread my posts, i absolutely apologise for offending you. I wasn't saying my daughter hasn't experienced racism (being white, she clearly hasn't), rather she has exposure to lots of cultures in school. I absolutely mangled what i was trying to say! I do apologise though.

My 19 DD walked into the room just as I typed my post. I asked her what her opinion was on Irish people being racist. Her reply was that there is a lot of covert racism here in comparison with other places. That's something to think about.

@Chickenkeev your posts are shocking. You said that you are surprised that a posters daughter (of different ethnicity) received any racism in Ireland.

Why on earth would you be surprised. There is a lot of racism in Ireland. Especially to people of different ethnicities.

Many people have spoken about racism in ireland. Some black people have written books about racism that they have experienced in ireland.

There is even a facebook page called "black and Irish" where hundreds of black people go on it for support to talk about their experiences, and they also talk about a lot of racism that they experienced in ureland. There are written accounts everywhere.

How can you be so blind and think that it doesn't happen in Ireland

And do you not see how saying that to someone "I'm surprised your daughter experienced racism "could be hurtful to them.

I'm not the only poster on here calling you out on your bad behaviour.

There should be a full time team on SM. It's embarrassing that there isn't.

Out of the mouth of babes. I certainly think young educated people are far more tolerant and accepting, they are also willing to accept that there is racism.

It wasn't a surprise to the Gardai. That has been reported on. They do track SM to what extent I don't know but they knew the stuff that was on SM (same as they did with the Dail). They didn't anticipate it escalating in the way it did (and in fairness that's not normal for here, or hasn't been to date).

They should have known though. It was bad policing.

Why did you say that you were surprised that a child received racism - to the posters mother.

You havent answered this point.

Both me and another poster have called you out on it.

@Chickenkeev

My bil is Zambian and I have 3 mixed race nephews. Racism is everywhere in Ireland. But scumbags have been acting like scumbags at the top of O'Connell street and the surrounding areas for years. About 15 years ago my sister was standing talking to my bil and some friends outside a shop there and a crowd of this gurriers started throwing things at them. My sister was hit on the shoulder with a full can of a fizzy drink. The reason all the people arrested were over 18 is because nothing happens to under 18s who riot or set wheelie bins on fire over a pedestrian tram crossing bridge at least once a week. Or attack people coming of a luas because they stick up for their wife who is Filipino and works in a hospital probably looking after these scumbags mothers. Or damage a black girls face so badly she's lost the sight in one eye. This is the tip of the iceberg unfortunately.

I really think you need to leave @Chickenkeev alone now.

You have made your point.

Numerous times.

She has apologized to the other poster.

We should move on.

It's not always covert either. I always find a trip in a taxi to be a potential racist rant. I've actually gotten out of taxis a few times for racist rants. The move away from racism will be slow and torturous, we wiĺl get there eventually but it will take time.

No. She she said that she was going to go back and read her post.

She hasn't come back and explained why she wrote it.

I am not going to engage with you any further. I hope that's the end of it.

You haven't offended me @Chickenkeev but even if you and your family mix with different cultures, it doesn't make us experts on what's happening in Ireland. We won't see or hear what they see and hear.

It is even subtle things being said. Not in your face racism but enough to make someone uncomfortable. We must start evolving and educating ourselves. Again the younger educated generation is better. It's the older generation that I find say stupid things. I was at work recently where someone said they were working like a black. When I called them out on it, I was made feel to be precious.

This. The gardai have next to zero power over the underage feral youth, and unfortunately they know it.
The boy who attacked a tourist one day, cried in front of a judge the next, went home and then went out and did it again?
We need to instigate zero tolerance and proper consequences for this kind of thing, not have young Anto with his 157 convictions parading up and down Capel st menacing people.
However as yet we haven't had the resources or the balls to do the whole Guiliani and our powers that be still gaslight us that Dublin is 'safe'.

I agree with you, but i would say don't make people feel shit for mistakes. Change is happening very fast, and people make lots of faux pas. People, or some people anyway, genuinely don't know better. It's a brave new world in a way. We will get there though!

A lot of the posts on social media inciting trouble were posted from outside Ireland mostly the UK by the National Front.

Thats not true in any way shape or form.

Jesus Christ. What a load of shit.

All of the posts that were sent around social media to organise the riots were sent by Irish people. All of the people rioting were Irish people

I think they were slow to twig the direction it was heading - both on the night, and the way protests have become more and more angry over the last couple of years. And I think they were out of their depth in how to deal with rioting. Both possibly down to lack of experience (I think 2006 was the last time there was anything similar). So yes, I agree.

@honeyrider

Thats not true in any way shape or form.

Jesus Christ. What a load of shit.

All of the posts that were sent around social media to organise the riots were sent by Irish people. All of the people rioting were Irish people