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Chickenkeev · 24/11/2023 16:48

theleafandnotthetree · 24/11/2023 16:34

I can't disagree with anything you say, it is certainly applicable to many of them. But TDs are a diverse bunch, I think THAT'S my point. The whole 'they are all the same/all as bad as each other' narrative is overly simplistic and corrosive.

Well, i suppose, people can only speak about their own experiences. I don't agree that that's simplistic and corrosive at all, it's my experience. Which is different to yours, but both of us are entitled to describe our experiences surely.

JaneJeffer · 24/11/2023 17:07

Apparently over €36,000 has been raised to buy the Brazilian man a pint for his heroic actions.

Chickenkeev · 24/11/2023 17:20

JaneJeffer · 24/11/2023 17:07

Apparently over €36,000 has been raised to buy the Brazilian man a pint for his heroic actions.

That's quite mad, isn't it! Not the poor man's fault, but v strange.

Theblacksheepandme · 24/11/2023 17:21

JaneJeffer · 24/11/2023 17:07

Apparently over €36,000 has been raised to buy the Brazilian man a pint for his heroic actions.

Fair play, it will buy him a ticket home. That should make most people on this thread happy. One less person will free up the overcrowded healthcare system. If he has school going children all the better. Less kids clogging up the education system. What else is he the cause of clogging up that I haven't thought of?

ColleenDonaghy · 24/11/2023 17:22

Theblacksheepandme · 24/11/2023 17:21

Fair play, it will buy him a ticket home. That should make most people on this thread happy. One less person will free up the overcrowded healthcare system. If he has school going children all the better. Less kids clogging up the education system. What else is he the cause of clogging up that I haven't thought of?

Stealing jobs for sure, getting to criminals before the Guards like that.

JaneJeffer · 24/11/2023 17:27

He'll be clogging up the bar shortly @Theblacksheepandme

Theblacksheepandme · 24/11/2023 17:28

To think that poor Brazilian man has had to listen to racist shit being said all day and probably since he arrived. He'll probably here the popular phrase now of "We don't mean you".

Theblacksheepandme · 24/11/2023 17:40

Hear not here

JaneJeffer · 24/11/2023 17:41

People just want to show that those yobs don't represent Ireland

Peridot1 · 24/11/2023 17:54

The fund for the Brazilian man is now at €177k whereas the one for the children and carer is at €69k.

lesdeluges · 24/11/2023 17:59

Maybe the GFM fund will be pooled and shared amongst all of them. The guy who set it up for the Brazilian man was on radio today and seemed to be a sound enough fella, so maybe they will do this. Seems the right thing to do IMO.

OR.... Brazilian man will donate a chunk of his fund to those injured. Who knows?

Chickenkeev · 24/11/2023 18:12

Peridot1 · 24/11/2023 17:54

The fund for the Brazilian man is now at €177k whereas the one for the children and carer is at €69k.

WTAF!?!

Chickenkeev · 24/11/2023 18:15

JaneJeffer · 24/11/2023 17:41

People just want to show that those yobs don't represent Ireland

There needs to be a better organised anti fascist movement here. The fash are well organised, the normals need to suit up.

JaneJeffer · 24/11/2023 18:17

Carnival time

Chickenkeev · 24/11/2023 18:26

It's very sad that Dublin has come to this. Used to be a great city. I know it's not everywhere, or all the time, but still and all 😔

WaveyGodshawk · 24/11/2023 18:46

Chickenkeev · 24/11/2023 18:26

It's very sad that Dublin has come to this. Used to be a great city. I know it's not everywhere, or all the time, but still and all 😔

I spent my teens getting the train in to town to hang around, my twenties were spent working and socialising in the city centre. I'm so bloody sad what's happened to Dublin.

On the rare times I go in now, I genuinely do not feel safe at all, since covid really. There is an air of tension constantly, I've long felt it wouldn't take much for it all to boil over.
Friends who still work in city centre say it is like that all the time 😔

You'd wish that it was a wake up call to the powers that be that there is something seriously wrong, but going on what I've been reading in the papers they still won't acknowledge it.

How could they not anticipate that it would only take a spark to set things off? As soon as the news broke about the stabbings yesterday it was all over sm that there'd be riots. Yet its total surprise to them?
Massive failures.

SleepPrettyDarling · 24/11/2023 18:47

Peridot1 · 24/11/2023 17:54

The fund for the Brazilian man is now at €177k whereas the one for the children and carer is at €69k.

Deliveroo donated €1,000 to Caio’s fund. Reminder that neither GFM was requested by any parties involved. And the injured woman and unrelated child are entitled to privacy; presumably their families weren’t even asked or told.

Chickenkeev · 24/11/2023 18:54

They're complete chancers tbh. I lived in town for years, worked there too. And never felt unsafe. I moved up the country and began to see the decline from that remove. There aren't enough police really, that's a simple fix. But they prefer to go on the news and bleat about lack of resources and whatever. While also talking about all the excess money floating around. The government ,quite simply, are not doing their job, and that has resulted in the current shit show.

therealcookiemonster · 24/11/2023 19:47

what an awful situation. violence begetting violence. and this thread has turned into a massive debate about immigration with some quite unsavoury views being aired. with the general approach being oh immigrants came and took our benefits, how come they get x y z when we have nothing etc

austerity, financial crises, the pandemic are very complex and not easy to generate emotions about. but other people it's ever so easy to hate them.

and as an immigrant of over two decades, I see it all the time. even as a private school educated, international fee paying uni graduate who now works for the NHS. I remember a lunch lady at my private boarding school not giving me proper portions and giving the most dirty mean looks when I asked for a little more (I was only little and very skinny). she gave seconds to everyone else and I was the only brown face. in the end I lost so much weight that they thought I had an eating disorder. I experience at work when I am managing teams and there is a deep resentment from some people that I am calling the shots. I experience at luxury hotels when the doorman holds the door open for everyone else but me and servers that look outraged that I can afford to buy something from whatever boutique I'm visiting. happens. all. the. Time

it comes from a racist person's inherent assumption that others cannot deserve to have more than someone like them. it's narcissistic.

EasternStandard · 24/11/2023 20:09

Hopefully it’s calm tonight

I just watched a clip of rioters and the police car set on fire. Really intense

Gowlett · 24/11/2023 21:17

therealcookiemonster, good to read your perspective. This is what I’m worried about, that people like yourself (who already experience all levels of racism) will be further targeted.

Dublin is relatively new to multiculturalism. For people like myself, who’ve lived in Paris & London, “new” faces aren’t a problem, or even something I think about. To me, you’re another person.

But to these young guys running around (and those who should know better, influencing them) anyone “black” or “brown” or “asian” is being othered. Education is the answer.

What struck me, today in Dublin, was that all of the brilliant young staff who were working in the Footlocker I visited (they were sent over from the looted store) were not White Irish.

These decent young folks got up, went to work, were enjoying their jobs while the kids who caused havoc lay in bed after their rampaging. I hate the idea of these people losing out.

Of course other big cities, like London & Paris, have had (still have) problems with racism, integration & lack of infrastructure around immigration. But Dublin has to do better than this.

therealcookiemonster · 24/11/2023 21:31

@Gowlett i agree with you. education is always the answer.

education to reduce the poverty that both right wing and 'muslim' radicalised youth are entrenched in (the similarities between the two groups tell us a lot more about the real problems rather than 'duh foreigners')
education to reduce poverty in nations where a lot of asylum seekers are coming from
education to promote understanding between communities
education to improve the local work force so we are not dependent on other nations to fill critical roles and leave them depleted
education to empower the people of our country to hold the government and corrupt self-serving politicians to account

it always comes down to education

N4ish · 24/11/2023 21:47

Agree that Dublin is new to multiculturalism and change has been very rapid. I grew up there during the years when there was almost zero immigration - there were no jobs so no incentive for anyone to move there for work. That all changed with the Celtic Tiger and suddenly there was an influx of people from many different countries coming to work and study.

I think some communities in the North inner city feel resentful and left behind and take out their anger on easy targets like refugees and immigrants. I’m not sure what the long term answer is but the government has avoided the issue for too long and it needs to be dealt with now.

Chickenkeev · 24/11/2023 21:57

N4ish · 24/11/2023 21:47

Agree that Dublin is new to multiculturalism and change has been very rapid. I grew up there during the years when there was almost zero immigration - there were no jobs so no incentive for anyone to move there for work. That all changed with the Celtic Tiger and suddenly there was an influx of people from many different countries coming to work and study.

I think some communities in the North inner city feel resentful and left behind and take out their anger on easy targets like refugees and immigrants. I’m not sure what the long term answer is but the government has avoided the issue for too long and it needs to be dealt with now.

Spot on. But the answer is the govt getting up off their arses and addressing problems. Atm, they ignore everything.

Loulou599 · 24/11/2023 23:55

The celtic tiger was decades ago now , come on...