Are people who live in England planning to visit family in Ireland this summer?

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I was feeling optimistic but Delta variant is making me less so. I'm fully vaccinated but would still have to isolate 5 days, DS(6) is of course not vaccinated.

I'm also not sure how people in Ireland feel about those flying in from London? Is it a dick move?

And if we fly to NI and lure my parents up to holiday with us, would they have to isolate on returning home?

I'll buy you a cone from Teddy's if I see you in August though. might cool you down

I thought double vaccinated people coming from GB to Ireland after July 19th didn’t have to quarantine.

@Rapskallion you should be fine to come home and see your Dad.
Welfare checks on vulnerable people have always been allowed and I know someone who came over and back from England a few times during the strictest lockdown with a letter from her parents doctor.
She of course quarantined strictly before seeing her parents as it was required at time.

I doubt you are Irish at all. If you are, good riddance to you.

What a disgusting thing to say.

Dancingonmoonlight you are right not to engage further. Some people are just extremely self centered and will never be able to take others into consideration.
We all are aware Pcr tests aren't 100% accurate. Children won't be vaccinated and many won't need to have a test.
Many people travelling will not abide by the MQ rules. Last Christmas I encountered numerous elderly people who's family were returning for the period. They didn't want it to happen but felt they could not say no.

Fupoffyagrasshole was it not you who recently had a thread discussing returning to Ireland and staying with your infirm elderly in law for a few days and then heading off to your own family. That doesn't sound like you intended to abide by the quarantine rules.

All people are saying here is please bide your time. Many of us have family we haven't seen in a long time, including Australia and that's a much worse scenario. Give us time to catch up with our vaccinations, get our health care system fully up and running and in the mean time enjoy the lifting of your restrictions.
Don't knowingly come here from a country rampant with the delta variant and help it rip through the country yet again.
Is 8/12 more weeks too much to ask?
Even if people here don't end up in ICU with the virus, if they end up in hospital at all it affects the care people with other serious illness receives. There's a back log of people needing treatment we really can't afford to keep them waiting further just to facilitate family visits.

Some may like to be flippant and call posts like this drama, it's clearly easy to be flippant when you're not the one living under our current situation.
Please try and just consider our stance and delay a little longer.

Wow, some real nastiness here. I have huge sympathy for all of you who have been separated from your families for so long.
If people are vaccinated and abide by the rules I really don’t see what the huge risk is. Some seem to see everyone from outside the country as a huge threat without thinking it through rationally. Delta is already the dominant strain here.

Delta is already in Ireland, c 70% of sequenced cases. That ship has sailed. “Keeping delta out” is not a valid reason to exclude doubly vaccinated, quarantining Irish citizens from family reunions.

Do you think any of us want to be the one who infects their parents they haven’t seen for 19months.

I thought quarantining is being dropped anyway after 19th July, so can travel following a neg PCR

@canary1
That may have been the plan before the delta variant became so widespread.
Whether that now happens on the 19th is debatable.
Personally I'd be happy to do 5 days quarantine with PCR test before departure and 5 days after arrival.

@WeatherToday me too

I doubt you are Irish at all.

Well this just isn't very logical, is it?

@TheVeryThing, thanks for your empathic post. Like several others here I really do object to the Disneyland and "not here for your entertainment" posts. It's my Mum and Dad I want to see, not the cliffs of Moher.

@Neiphin, you said
Some people are just extremely self centered and will never be able to take others into consideration.

I feel this completely misses the mark of what we are trying to get across here. Why assume a hard-hearted, blind selfishness when people have laid out the constant weighing up and balancing of risks and benefits we've been engaged with for so long now, watching and waiting, eventual cautious optimism? It doesn't sound like anyone here is rashly jumping on planes even if such a thing were possible.

My MIL was taken into hospital the week of the HSE hack, we didn't know if she was dead or alive for a couple of days. My DP didn't go over and nor did his sister from the UK. He wasn't yet vaccinated so yeah, we thought let's not be part of the problem, let's do our bit and wait this out another few months. That time, frankly, is up now.

Ireland has done very well with vaccination but no country will vaccinate 100% without totalitarian coercion so at some point containing spread becomes a domestic issue and incoming vaccinated people are not the problem.

@Phantasmo

And blaming the post-Christmas Covid surge on people who flew into Ireland is completely disingenuous. It was in part due to that, but largely due to households mingling. But it's easier to point the finger elsewhere.

Hmmm. A UK variant becomes the dominant variant for in Ireland..... of course it was from UK people traveling to visit people they just HAD to see! Then... Delta variant also dominate in the UK gets here from people who are SO special they have to travel!! It's hardly bloody rocket science how it got here!!!

That's a lot of exclamation marks.

A bit late to the thread but just wanted to add to those who have not seen their families for such a long time. I am fully vaccinated, I've been good followed all the rules but enough is enough and if permitted I will be visiting my elderly parents in the next few months. My friends and siblings are telling me tales of such and such is back from London and they said it was grand making me feel even more guilty for being so cautious. I dare not risk leaving it get into winter and risk another variant and perhaps never seeing my elderly parents again. I am literally having nightmares about it.

Delta has travelled all over the world, even Australia FFS.

Apologies that was a response to @user1496146479

I hear you, @SilverGlitterBaubles. We've been constantly questioning ourselves about if we're being cautious enough or too cautious. Most of us have never taken this lightly so some of the attitudes on here are very crass and alienating.

Your point about getting a visit in before another wave is very pertinent too. I really hope it works out for you. I'm only middling confident it will for me and my children, October mid-term may be too late but I'm not fully vaccinated until end of August, it's hard to call.

Really torn about what to do with regard to visiting home this year and also the exact rules.
We have a week off work mid August and are hoping to travel to the west of Ireland. We normally go via Holyhead to Dublin. There will be me and DH (both are fully vaccinated) DS 1&2 (both have had one vaccination so far), DS1's girlfriend fully vaccinated, and DS3 who is 12 and hasn't been vaccinated. I'm unclear whether we can all go as the two eldest haven't been fully vaccinated. I'm also unsure whether we should go, a number of relatives are CEV and so I'm worried about DS3 (or indeed any of us) passing anything on.

Any opinions welcome at this stage. It's been nearly 2 years since we've been over and I'm desperate to go, but not at any cost!!

Hopeful bump!!

I think something will come out this week. The current statutory instrument governing home quarantine runs out on 19th July and it will need to be extended this week if the fire t system is to continue. This will be the opportunity to change it if thats what is planned

It’s so frustrating. After 18 months of not being able to visit we are moving home next month. Job contracts signed etc. As it stands I don’t know if the fully vaccinated adults need a test or to quarantine and if our unvaccinated children (2,5,7) need the same.

The delta variant is widespread in Ireland. I don’t understand why all the horror about vaccinated travellers visiting while obeying all the rules. We just want to know what is actually required. Also I’m not sure why people seem to think we’ve had it easy here in the U.K.- we’ve had long, strict lockdowns also.

I think it was the restrictions on internal travel that made people more resentful of travellers from the UK. It didn't make sense that someone could visit a family member, coming from London and yet not from the next county. But it has changed now and Ireland has no restrictions on internal travel. There is no requirement to quarantine in NI, and then residents of NI are travelling freely back and forth over border. So Delta is circulating ANYWAY, even if those transiting through NI are required to obey rules on vac and quarantining when they reach ROI. It isn't just English Welsh or Scottish residents bringing the virus in, it is already freely available in the North.
There shouldn't be this moral high ground, it is about mitigation not staying away completely.

Anyone else booked to fly home on Mon the 19th from the UK?
Struggling to know if I still need to do the PCR test?

Changes, if any, not confirmed yet. If worried might be worth doing but I know the cost is hard.