Are people who live in England planning to visit family in Ireland this summer?

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I was feeling optimistic but Delta variant is making me less so. I'm fully vaccinated but would still have to isolate 5 days, DS(6) is of course not vaccinated.

I'm also not sure how people in Ireland feel about those flying in from London? Is it a dick move?

And if we fly to NI and lure my parents up to holiday with us, would they have to isolate on returning home?

Been an Irish citizen is very different currently than been an Irish resident.

@SecondRow

Interesting thread, thanks everyone for the updates.

I'm in an EU country, not GB, but the unvaccinated children is the part I've been wondering about too. I won't be fully vaccinated myself until near the end of the summer so was looking at maybe the October mid-term break for our first trip home in over 1.5 years. It's a bit tight with only a week off school, although I'm much less concerned about taking unauthorized time off now, post home-schooling hell, than I would have been before

But with Delta it's still impossible to predict what the conditions will be a couple of weeks in advance, never mind a couple of months.

By the way, @TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams... Have you heard of the Lambda variant?

Lambda variant? Nope, oh joy!

Oh - pity this thread got a bit antagonistic.

To be honest, I feel a bit hard done by too when people are saying stay away a bit longer. I stayed away last summer, Christmas etc etc, been anxiously awaiting my vaccine and wouldn't have dreamed of endangering anyone unnecessarily.

Then for a while recently it seemed Ireland was doing great, first my parents and then my own age group and younger vaccinated while I was still waiting elsewhere, and family and friends have been able to meet up, and I mean people who were absolutely cautious and rule-abiding, and I'm delighted for them - they're having the odd barbecue or lunch out and catching up with people, and good for them.

But we should still stay away? This:

I think we all need to play out part - none of us have seen our family in other parts of Ireland for most of the year either.

doesn't quite match up with what I'm hearing out of Ireland the last while. Well, most of the year, yes - but not any more, right? So yes, as an Irish citizen but non-resident I would like to avail of just the same level of contact with family and friends that residents have benefited from at least over the last few weeks.

It’s all going a bit handmaids tale here barring people from coming back to where they are from / people being trapped abroad etc

Been home in Ireland a week now and I’m still isolating - but everyone I speak to is out at the pub/for dinner, going on holidays in the countryside, going to bbqs, each other’s houses regularly 😂

Not wanting to stir things up even more - but if you asked an elderly person who is fully vaccinated if they wanted their fully vaccinated adult children to stay away for another year even if that meant they might never see them again, what do you think the reaction might be?

Like others, we did not visit last summer or Christmas as no-one was vaccinated then. But all the adults in our families are now

@Neiphin of course I respect the rights of Irish residents, and I’m not planning to break any rules. If there’s quarantining for kids, we simply won’t come. But I’m asking you to recognise that this isn’t about ‘holidays’ or people coming over for a jolly. There is real sufferering here.

And legally, no, there is no different between citizens and residents as long as the diaspora abide by the rules when visiting.

For this interested in the unvaccinated minors point

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/ryanair-calls-on-minister-to-confirm-u18s-face-no-travel-curbs-1.4615850?mode=amp

@Fupoffyagrasshole

It’s all going a bit handmaids tale here barring people from coming back to where they are from / people being trapped abroad etc

Been home in Ireland a week now and I’m still isolating - but everyone I speak to is out at the pub/for dinner, going on holidays in the countryside, going to bbqs, each other’s houses regularly 😂

Well I presume they are outside the pub and the restaurant. No going inside yet unless you stay in a hotel which is just bizarre.

Yes @Fupoffyagrasshole, that's what I mean too. Some people at least in Ireland are having a grand old time

Some people at least in Ireland are having a grand old time
After the longest lockdown of any other country, we are not travelling. Most of us are holidaying within Ireland. We are not eating inside. Businesses have shut their doors never to open again. People have lost their livelihoods. We have lost so much and put up with so much. We are looking in horror at what is happening in the UK. Yet people seem determined to spread their horror to another country. All our sacrifices will be for nothing. Please give us a chance to come out the other side of this. Our vaccination programme is doing well. Give us another few months. Please do not come.

@Dancingonmoonlight Is that don’t come at all, or come within the rules laid down by the Irish Government?

I find Irish people telling their fellow citizens not to come home absolutely abhorrent, I have to say.

Rainallnight Give your home country and fellow citizens another few months to get out the other side. Our vaccination programme is running well. We have suffered, we are suffering. Don't prolong it.

@Dancingonmoonlight You haven’t answered my question - are you content with Irish citizens visiting the State within the rules laid down by your elected representatives?

I'm going home end of Aug. I've had my vaccinations and will abide by the rules that the Irish govt have set down re. travelling to Ireland, PCR tests, quarantine etc. I will ignore the random internet gatekeepers.

are you content with Irish citizens visiting the State within the rules laid down by your elected representatives?
No I'm not content with it. They made a huge mistake at Christmas and they are going to do the same again. Will they be re-elected? Probably because there is no other option. NI also muddy the waters considerably. It isn't as easy to shut the borders.
Unless you live here, you will not know the bad feeling that created. But I suspect you do know and don't care. Like so many other people living in the UK know and don't care. Your family will be among the people losing out when our hospitals are once again full and routine tests cannot be carried out. That is not a guilt trip. That is the reality of the months ahead for all of us.

How can it be the same as Christmas when the people coming are vaccinated? That makes no sense. But I sense you're all about the drama.

My young children haven't seen their dad for over a year. We put it off over summer, October, Christmas, feb, Easter, may. We aren't prepared to put it off any longer .

@Dancingonmoonlight it could be years before this all calms down I’ve waited and waited since Christmas 2019 to come back to see my family ! I can’t wait any longer ! I followed all the rules so I don’t see how I’m any more of a danger to anyone than someone already in the country to be honest ! I’ve been here a week and never left my house (except to get my test) and I prob won’t be going anywhere for another week so can’t see how I’m part of the problem 😂

And I’m double vaccinated as is my husband - we can’t go on like this forever it’s getting ridiculous

I hope you're having a lovely time @Fupoffyagrasshole. The idea that vaccinated and tested people who plan to quarantine on arrival are going to tip the country into chaos is such nonsense.

Interesting reading this thread.

I’m in the UK and desperate to get over to Ireland to see my Dad. He’s living alone, extremely clinically vulnerable but has had the double vaccine now, as have I. I haven’t seen him since October 2019, he’s old and I’m missing him desperately .

I can’t get enough time off to quarantine either end of a trip to see him, I don’t think. I’m hoping I’ll get over during October half term, leaving the kids at home if necessary (obvs not jabbed), which is sad, as I know my Dad misses them.

How can it be the same as Christmas when the people coming are vaccinated?
You do realise that covid can be carried and transmitted by a fully vaccinated person? You do realise that Ireland is midway through their vaccination programme? Educate yourself before you submit your posts please.

@Dancingonmoonlight

How can it be the same as Christmas when the people coming are vaccinated? You do realise that covid can be carried and transmitted by a fully vaccinated person? You do realise that Ireland is midway through their vaccination programme? Educate yourself before you submit your posts please.

You do realise people will be taking a PCR test before they depart, then quarantine, and take another PCR test 5 days later?

Your hysteria is embarrassing.

Classica

If there was a bit more 'hysteria' in the UK about covid in general, it might not have resulted in the mess that is currently unfolding there.
I doubt you are Irish at all. If you are, good riddance to you.
There is no point discussing further with you.

@Dancingonmoonlight

Classica

If there was a bit more 'hysteria' in the UK about covid in general, it might not have resulted in the mess that is currently unfolding there.
I doubt you are Irish at all. If you are, good riddance to you.
There is no point discussing further with you.

I have no praise for the way the UK govt has conducted itself throughout the Covid crisis. The Irish govt have been marginally less worse but that is really not saying much. But the fact remains, drama queen, is that vaccinated people who quarantine and test are of negligible risk to the Irish population.

Covid has brought to the surface in a section of people a desire to catastrophize at every turn. They gain comfort from their hysteria. It's tiresome and pointless and yet you persist.

p.s. Is amadán thú