Unlocking Ireland - an unprecedented thread no. 6

[CherryValanc]

A sixth thread in Craicnet!!

Who thought that would ever happen!!? Has there even been a sixth page before?

I am aware I sound like I wear a tin foil hat....

I truly don't I promise.

I will say only this Ireland is but a village.

So there's other stuff going on?

Tell us more! He jabbed all the local TDs and the postman ?

A piece about the Beacon in the IT this morning:
www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-the-beacon-hospital-an-indefensible-breach-of-trust-1.4523107

At the very least it's a breach of trust. But also, I struggle to believe that nobody considered the optics of vaccinating 20 teachers from 15km away in Dublin.

It's very arrogant to imagine that it would never get out- or to consider that it would, and go ahead anyway.

Thanks Fiona.

What's so awful about the Beacon fiasco is, you just knew something like this was going to happen, a case "not if but when". A 2 tier society.

I live 5 minutes from the Beacon and you could actually walk 20 feet and be at the nearest pharmacy, there is also a primary school across the road (which l assume has teachers ) that equally could have been vaccinated.
So many others, who are vulnerable are still waiting, yet this shit goes on... smh

Anyone considering living in Cork should take a look at AskAudrey on Twitter. If you can understand the accent and the social commentary, you'll be fine.

DH is from Cork, I keep trying to get him to move back down but he's having none of it. He's been in Dublin nearly 30 years and he's mostly lost the accent unless he's losing the head.

Did I read that other important sounding people have also been vaccinated there? Out of turn?
Our local health centre nurse reckons they get half of the doses they order. And so can only do half the clinics.

@TheLongRider

Anyone considering living in Cork should take a look at AskAudrey on Twitter. If you can understand the accent and the social commentary, you'll be fine.

DH is from Cork, I keep trying to get him to move back down but he's having none of it. He's been in Dublin nearly 30 years and he's mostly lost the accent unless he's losing the head.

That's funny. My DH is from Dublin and he's been here for around twenty years. Sadly, he has not picked up the Cork accent, not even to say 'boy' or 'girl' or 'like' at the end of a sentence.

Eg 'How are ya, boy?'....'I'm grand, but will we ever get out of lockdown, like?'

@eggandonion

Did I read that other important sounding people have also been vaccinated there? Out of turn? Our local health centre nurse reckons they get half of the doses they order. And so can only do half the clinics.

Is it going to be like GolfGate with a long, slow reveal? Just imagining the conversation in the staffroom. More cronyism there, I suppose, and all about who was pally with the principal

@eggandonion

Did I read that other important sounding people have also been vaccinated there? Out of turn? Our local health centre nurse reckons they get half of the doses they order. And so can only do half the clinics.

There is a successful Irish business man l follow on twitter who says he has been offered the vaccine 3 times (hasn't taken it) so it's as good as a nod and wink it would seem, seeing as the CEO of VHI was vaccinated at the Beacon too.

I dont think the Beacon is the only one either. Drives me mad that things like this are still happening in Ireland but particularly with vaccines. You'd think that morality would kick in but as usual people think they're above repercussions and they can do what they like.
Also why are people taking them. They know it's wrong. It's awful

@Iblinkedandiamold

I dont think the Beacon is the only one either. Drives me mad that things like this are still happening in Ireland but particularly with vaccines. You'd think that morality would kick in but as usual people think they're above repercussions and they can do what they like. Also why are people taking them. They know it's wrong. It's awful

I agree. The lack of morality here is repugnant.

According to the IT, Ministers are considering a plan that would allow travel within your county from the 12th April. That would make such a difference! It would be after the Easter holidays but even so...... www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/lockdown-easing-ministers-consider-plan-to-allow-in-county-travel-from-april-12th-1.4523777

We had this discussion at home...if someone rang and said that they had a spare vaccine, would you take it? And you have two minutes to decide.
You know you shouldn't...but would you?
After 25 years my dh can't understand men from the north side of the city, cork women speak with a different accent. So I have to deal with the chimney sweep and assorted tradesmen.

@eggandonion that is a good point actually. I can sit here and say I would absolutely not take it but in reality I cant say with certainty that I wouldn't especially if my Parents were vaccinated. If my parents weren't vaccinated then I would couldn't in good conscious take it ahead of them.

would you take it...no, I wouldn't. Being nowhere near a frontline of any kind or in a vulnerable category, I couldn't live with my conscience.

As a Cork person, I speak way too quickly. I tell myself to slow down sometimes :)

@FinallyFluid - do tell.

Anyone else listen to Joe Duffy yesterday about unprovoked attacks on people and businesses by gangs of youths aged 12+ (and the garda response).
Absolutely awful.
It's getting worse.
I think more gardai should be visible on the streets and not just at Lockdown checkpoints.
I wish senior management in the Garda would reassess the division of resources.

@HaHaVeryBunny

What's so awful about the Beacon fiasco is, you just knew something like this was going to happen, a case "not if but when". A 2 tier society.

I live 5 minutes from the Beacon and you could actually walk 20 feet and be at the nearest pharmacy, there is also a primary school across the road (which l assume has teachers ) that equally could have been vaccinated.
So many others, who are vulnerable are still waiting, yet this shit goes on... smh

Do you think it would be an issue if it had been those teachers vaccinated?

I don't - especially if there's no connection. The Pfizer vaccine can produce spare vaccine that would other wise be thrown away.

Do centres have a "spare vaccine" list? A list of people who might be able to make it in with 20 mins say.

@eggandonion

We had this discussion at home...if someone rang and said that they had a spare vaccine, would you take it? And you have two minutes to decide. You know you shouldn't...but would you? After 25 years my dh can't understand men from the north side of the city, cork women speak with a different accent. So I have to deal with the chimney sweep and assorted tradesmen.

My parents had this, from their GP. He ended up with spare vaccines at the end of one day, and called my dad (not in the best of health, about to turn 80, in the next age cohort down from the one they were doing) and said 'Can you get here in 15 minutes before we close?' Dad didn't think twice. Same again a few weeks later with my mother.

I didn't know about either until afterwards, and my parents are the timid, compliant type it didn't occur to to ask anyone at the surgery why they had spares, whether they couldn't give them to another surgery that still had over-80s left to vaccinate etc, or how they were choosing who to allocate the 'spares' to.

My ILs are older than my parents, but only got the 'official' call for the first vaccine this week from their GP -- ie, they're in the age range being done now.

We will both feel much better when they've all had both jabs.

My daughter is front line, but it was a few weeks in before she had her first vaccine. It is a relief. But as she's 200 miles away she wouldn't have been able to get my imaginary jab! So many what ifs...unless you are convinced of your own position.
I think teachers, child care workers, supermarket staff, home carers, people with assorted health issues should have priority over me.
But if it is two minutes to decide or it will be chucked out, who knows!

Sorry, my point was supposed to be that my parents had no sense of skipping the queue or doing anything out of order -- as far as they're concerned, GPs are demi-gods, and you must always do what they say.

(I will remember forever my mother's horror when I refused an induction when I was having DS, and on another occasion where I asked for a GA rather than a local -- she doesn't see medical advice as 'advice', but as immutable law...)

So they were just obeying orders, as they see it.

I don't think I would take one ahead of my cohort, but I'm a perfectly healthy 40something, and have never felt personally at risk.

@Lucent that's exactly what is supposed be done with spare vaccines. It goes to the next on list. The amount of spare vaccines needs to be looked at. I do think they are looking into why and how people were booked into multiple places.

[quote Iblinkedandiamold]@Lucent that's exactly what is supposed be done with spare vaccines. It goes to the next on list. The amount of spare vaccines needs to be looked at. I do think they are looking into why and how people were booked into multiple places.[/quote]
But within individual surgeries? I mean, I'm actually delighted my parents had their first shot, but I suppose it also felt off to me that my much frailer and older PIL (especially my FIL, who has had cancer several times), who are registered with an adjacent surgery, didn't have theirs even scheduled for the best part of a month. I suppose I wondered whether there should be a pooling system, but that's probably a logistical nightmare.

I wouldn't have an issue with that, Lucent. It's not blatantly skipping the queue and I wouldn't want any spare vaccines thrown out either.