To want to leave the UK

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Am I the only one that wants to leave this country? My salary hasn’t increased more than 1% per year in the last 7 years… I hate that the UK voted Brexit… I read today the financial shocks of the autumn budget are worse than the 2008 crash?! Why aren’t we more angry?!!

I think you may have misunderstood the concept of chatting.

Germany has very bad electric costs.

Op I would really do your homework before deciding to leave.

Baby items can be good price compared to other countries too.

Spain was far cheaper than the U.K. when I was there in October. They were also doing news articles on the costs of inflation and the worry it is causing.

coffee & toast was €2 and a 3 course meal was €10.50

i think though unemployment is much higher, not sure

I can't speak for the current climate elsewhere, but I lived abroad for several years even when I knew the language and yes it was enjoyable for the time but it wasn't enough for me to stay. As PPs have said the grass isn't always greener.

You have a country you could potentially go to.
So it is natural to consider that.

Do your homework.
And maybe post on the overseas board or whatever it is called.

Things are hard at the moment and im ashamed of our government. My hope is that by the next GE everyone will have woken up to the damage the tories do- this is labours best chance of getting into power for decades. My parents tell me about the positivity and hope everyone had when Tony Blair became PM following the Margaret Thatcher era. I’m hoping we will get this in 2024.

Lettuce is a particular problem in Canada at the moment. Its supply chain issues + the Salinas lettuce harvest was poor. Winter lettuce is now coming from Yuma and I paid US$3.99 for a pack of romaine hearts. Eggs are extortionate, I paid $6 for a pack of 18, I believe avian flu is to blame for the price spike. Canada gets a lot of winter fruit & veg from USA/Mexico.

The one thing that they do for the poor here is that SNAP (aka food stamps) is keyed to the actual price of food: the USDA has an actual food budget and if you receive SNAP it's based on that and your income. So the one relief poor people do get is that their food budgets haven't been eaten by inflation quite so badly.

Prices are higher in the USA at th moment but also the pound is low, and many salaries here are higher. You'd need to go to Oklahoma to find teachers who are paid UK wages. I do feel that UK salaries have really stagnated since we left. The trouble we have in the USA is that our healthcare costs aren't properly controlled and this eats at our net pay. Pay for low wage jobs here has surged since the pandemic, we are seeing fast food advertising $18/hr. Hence, $8 cappuccino.

Housing costs have gone out of control in big cities everywhere it seems.

@Stuffin What's stopping me is money and not having the right to live or work in other countries.

If people do want to leave, start by looking at visas. Someone linked all the visas that give you the right to work here the other day, there were many and I doubt we are the only country that is that generous.

Look at similar for other countries, but consider languages, location and your dc moving if you have any.

Making a big move is doable but it takes positivity and get go. If it’s just a moan then it’s less likely to happen.

I feel exactly the same way.

It seems like the government is intent on trashing the economy (they can just walk away from it all) and I don't understand the logic of their decisions. It seems insane to me how the economy will grow when people are taxed to death and won't have any money to spend. Not to mention all the businesses that will go under once people stop spending money.

France capped electricity at 4%, next year 14%, Germany has a cap based on tiers and at 70% of previous usage, considerably cheaper than UK, we will see another 50% increase next year.

Inflation in France below 7%. Spain's inflation 7.3%, Germany 10.4% lower again from the UK, which is now on an upward curve.

Yes of course the Ukraine war is the big driver for the issues we are facing but the UK, for whatever reasons is doing worse.

Truss added 30bn to the 55bn black hole of savings Hunt had to find, 30bn would give nurses a 45% pay rise.

Without Truss, there would have been no need to satisfy the markets and no need for 10s of billions in tax rises and spending cuts.

Then there is the 4% of GDP Brexit is calculated to have cost us so far.

If I didn't have two kids who are settled I'd be off. I'm self employed and could live anywhere. But family life is what it is. Can't just uproot everyone because I'm fed up.

Yes, this. People would be shocked at the price of food most places. I have family in Canada and when they visit they have always been astounded at how cheap food is. It would take a lot of price rises to match what things already cost there. Trouble is of course wages etc remaining stagnant has partially been accepted because food was affordable, now thats less and less the case it'll cause big problems.

Can't really compare food prices between countries unless wages etc are also taken into account.

UK seems to be very good at passing on price increases, less good at lowering them - they know we are willing to pay.

Diesel in France is on average £1.57 per litre & falling.

What MintJulia said. Economies are cyclical, if you want to leave then go. If you don’t have the job opportunities then retrain and start making a plan.
Personally I’ve lived in other countries but my heart is in the UK, I love it, our landscape, our history and of course my family. I’m sure I could settle happily in most European countries but come spring I’d always have a yearning to walk through English fields and woodlands. A sunny June day in the English countryside is heaven imo. I hate Jan-March though so would love to head south then.
I don’t understand why people ‘love’ the nhs - the free at the point of delivery model is no longer sustainable (people living longer with more complex needs + ever more expensive treatments available). It’s people’s resistance to changing that model that is harming the nhs imo.
If everything has gone to shit for you (which it obviously has for some) then get into politics yourself - join your local branch of whatever party you choose or do some volunteering and try to help others in some small way rather than just moaning.

Canada has supply issues with children’s medication at the moment.

Brexit has made it worse for the UK but there are issues all over.

i'd swap our inflation rate of 11.2% for Canada's 6.9%

I don’t understand why people ‘love’ the nhs - the free at the point of delivery model is no longer sustainable (people living longer with more complex needs + ever more expensive treatments available)

The NHS does mostly work however the aging population has a major impact. Most people expect assistance from the state, especially around social care During a recent hospital stay, where I had fantastic care, 50% of the wards were occupied by elderly people who could have been discharged had the family members who visited, taken care of them rather than waiting for a care package. Not sure how we fix it though!

The NHS is on its knees because of the lack of social care. It's impacting the police too.

@romdowa but child benefit is universal isn't it & its €140 per child?

here it's means tested & much lower for subsequent children.

Salaries are no longer much higher minimum wage in Ireland is 10.50 , in the UK its 10.18. Which is roughly 9. 14 pounds. So it's a pound in the difference.

A pound difference is significant & I thought it was €11 for an experienced worker.

Rents are very high in Ireland & food but I'm sure the average salary is about €40.

I'm half Irish & have a parent & most of my family in Dublin.

Health care isn't free like the UK.

It's not in the U.K. for many people either.

I prefer the Irish healthcare system to the NHS but French is the best I think. I'm half french.

Office of Budget Responsibility say that Brexit has had a significant impact on UK.... resulting in 15% of lost trade to UK.

Rumour is the Govt is seeking a Swiss style relationship with EU..... denied by Steve Barclay.. then again, he was the Brexit secretary... helping negotiate the disaster we've now got.

I am desperate to leave, pretty much for the same reasons. We have our house up for sale, although wrong time to sell unfortunately! But we are debating moving to Canada when we eventually sell. I have followed some groups on Facebook and keeping an eye out on the ins and outs of what needs to be done.

Only thing that might hold me back is that we have a 4 year old, so it would be a massive move for her away from her friends and family, and we have another on the way. But I’m just so fed up of my life at the moment as it’s all doom and gloom thanks to everything that’s going on with the government etc.