To want to leave the UK

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Am I the only one that wants to leave this country? My salary hasn’t increased more than 1% per year in the last 7 years… I hate that the UK voted Brexit… I read today the financial shocks of the autumn budget are worse than the 2008 crash?! Why aren’t we more angry?!!

Food has been cheap in the U.K. but other things are very expensive

I'm currently living in Canada and it's the same here: same salaries, ever-rising cost of living.

It's not just food though. It's transport, housing, fuel, energy, fucking council tax etc while nobody's had a payrise in fifteen years. Plus our health service is fucking shit. Everything is expensive and nothing works and nobody has got any money. The tories have bankrupted us.

Nobody has had a pay rise in fifteen years ?. Don’t talk bollocks. And if the NHS is so shit then use private healthcare.

I got a massive cauliflower today for £1 so I’d stay just for the cauliflowers.

Cost of living issues are affecting many countries around the world. However, as PP have said, the economic problems jn the UK are compounded by negative growth since 2019. We are the only G7 country suffering this.

Lol. The NZ economy isn't a comparator for the UK economy. It has a tiny population (5 million). It is 2500 miles from any other country and even then that is Australia, also a fairly small population (25 million), then thousands more miles to anywhere else. The UK has a population of nearly 70 million and is 20 miles from its closest trading block - the largest, richest and most successful in the world consisting of 450 million people - which it left voluntarily. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Inflation and supply chain issues are global.

Not all countries have Governments actuvely making the situation worse, trashing the value of their currency with political stunts, failing to put any food or energy security policies in place, spooking international markets and causing unnecessary market volatility and sharper than expected interest rate rises, imposing additional taxes and cut when going into a recession, the lowest growth in the G7 or deliberately cutting trade ties with their local trading block and imposing arbitrary trade barriers creating additional costs, currency depreciation, labour shortages and export problems to make their country £40bn per year poorer on purpose.

I appreciate that the NZ economy can't match the UK one @BlackberriesArePurple . But a NZ poster, who I reckon would know the regular price of cauliflowers, said that they were taken aback at finding them priced at $10. Hence me saying that the global economy is struggling not just the UK. And Brexit hasn't played a part in the price of cauli's going up in NZ.

I have, partly in that Im away for around 7-8 months of the year. After Covid I realised everything was going to shit and instead of seeing this ruthless, cruel government are putting the squeeze on working classes so that the rich can stay rich - working class people squabble with each other.

Or maybe a lot of people feel good about themselves/gleeful when they know others are suffering and struggle to maintain a decent lifestyle so they're happy with this fivisive government.

Its like a blanket of misery, I realised I felt better away so that was it. DC have EU passports and dont an to stay in UK s thats more reason not to stay here. I have always loved it in UK tho but it feels different now. I dont fancy being here in 5 years the thought makes me nervous.

There are quite a few Brits where I am and they dont seem in any hurry to go home

If only out of season cauliflower pricing on a very remote island were the main concern.

dad was born in NZ so i think I’m still entitled to citizenship?

I just hate what the UK has become… our ‘Empire’ died a long time ago and yet so many people still believe

I bought a cauliflower in Auckland 3 days ago for $3.

Much depends on season and we feel the impact of severe weather on crops.

I'm not sure where you could go that isn't having issues with cost of living and supply pressures.

A cauliflower may be $10 in NZ but the whole point of COL is the disparity between wages and COL. It doesn't matter if a cauli costs $10 if you are paid a living wage.

The UK has been slipping into an economy where the government subsidises corporations so they can scare the WC into working two jobs and fearing homelessness more than they fear an erosion of rights and wages. And leaving Europe was planned and executed for that goal.

At least in other countries the government has to pretend it cares about its citizens. The Tories don't even bother any more. By all means hate Jacinta and Justin and Emmanuel. But they don't openly despise their people.

In Australia on holiday at the moment. Son lives in Melbourne. Impressions are slightly more expensive here for food, restaurants etc than the UK but wages seem to be better. Property dearer though. If I was younger, didn’t have a daughter who is settled in the UK, earlier in career, less good friends I would miss I would try and move over absolutely

A cauliflower may be $10 in NZ but the whole point of COL is the disparity between wages and COL. It doesn't matter if a cauli costs $10 if you are paid a living wage.

No, that isn't the point. An argument might be that cauliflowers are routinely $10 in NZ but their massive wages mean that is highly affordable. But that's not what was said. A NZ poster said that she was shocked at the sudden price rise of a cauliflower. She might be a millionaire for all I know. But the point is that the price had gone up massively which reflects the rise in prices globally.

And my point is still that it doesn't matter if the price goes up, if the price is affordable.

Are people in Copenhagen, Reykjavik and Kigali worrying if they can afford to feed their child and heat their home when they weren't worried last year?

And the hand-waving away of Brexit is utterly ridiculous. If exiting the largest, richest, nearest trading bloc in the world had no effect on S&D and prices, wouldn't that be utterly unfathomable? Like everything everyone knows about money is completely wrong suddenly.

Of COURSE Brexit had an effect. One that doesn't exist in Montreal or Timbuktu.

Yes, prices are going up all over. But is average living unaffordable for the average population? With power, wages, taxes, housing and food, I'd argue the UK is suffering worse change than many.

The Tories must be so happy Ukraine, Covid and supply chain issues are here to mask what they did. By the time anyone notices, it will be too late.

This.

I love the UK. I've lived in four other countries but always want to come home. Economic woes are cyclical and will pass. Nowhere is much fun at the moment. Running out on things isn't my style, I'd rather be here to support my community while things are a bit thin.

I'll litter pick round my village, volunteer over Christmas, support the food bank, check on my neighbours.

But ask me again in February and I'll probably agree to go anywhere with more sun.

It is Brexit though. Food in the USA/Canada/New Zealand has always been expensive though in season and local produce is cheaper. Eg corn on the cob - $5 for 4 out of season - I’ve seen them for 15c each in season. Local apples are much cheaper etc. The uk had a vast European market to get food from - so even out of season - things were relatively cheap. Our departure from this market has made importing from the same producers hugely problematic and this has only been exacerbated by the supply chain crisis/Ukraine. When these problems are solved, the uk will still be left with limited markets. As a net importer of food a vote for Brexit means continuously higher bills and local producers (producers of lamb a case in point) being sold out for a neat and frankly sh$t trade deal.

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And my point is still that it doesn't matter if the price goes up, if the price is affordable.

Er no, the point was not whether it was affordable, it was that prices have risen globally not just in the uk.
A packet of 4 Rowntree fruit pastels was £1. If they go up to £5, I can still afford them but the price rise is massive.

Sorry. That should say the price rise would be massive. Because they've not gone up to £5. I've come out in a hot sweat at even the thought! 🥺

Cauliflowers have always been very expensive in France and yet bizarrely Brittany is one of the largest producers of them in Europe.
I actually got a cauliflower for €1.50 in October, the cheapest I’ve ever managed.
November to April is the peak season but they’re harvested all year round.
They are harvested by hand though which will increase costs compared to mechanically harvested veg.

What is this, the fucking Cauliflower Discussion Group?