COVID vaccine? Does it do anything?

[Greybottle]

I jumped at getting the COVID vaccines when they came out and I got all the vaccines that I was eligible for to date except for this year.

I got COVID in the summer time and I wasn't able to get the vaccine this winter. My GP recommended a 4 month wait.

It's just I got COVID twice. Once in 2022 and I had that bad too. I wasn't hospitalised but still I was ill with fever, body aches, headaches and coughs for over a week. I was rushed back to work prepaturely when I still wasn't 100% better.

I got COVID this summer too. I was floored with it.

A lot of people were floored with it this summer. Even though we got the COVID vaccines.

It's just I got a reminder text to book the vaccine today and I just don't know.

I am not anti vaccine but what is the point of the vaccine when youre still going to get exposed and become ill to this anyways?

I got flu in 2004 or 2005 and I was getting flu vaccine because of my work from about 2008 and I never had flue since 04/05. The flu vaccine works. But I am questioning the COVID vaccine? What is the point of going out of my way to travel to an establishment to get jabbed and sore for a few days and if I am exposed to COVID, I am likely still going to get it.

That’s ok NarniaBeckons. Oops sorry. @SquidGaming
Think I got confused as your posts are so similar. Very strange…

I'm afraid that's just no true.
We were told right at the very beginning that it would be a mild illness for the vast majority of people and that it was mainly the very elderly it affects badly.
So either all your relatives/ friends worked in China in 2019 or they were woefully ill informed despite information being available.
i hope none of them were in any high ranking position!

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-address-to-the-nation-on-coronavirus-23-march-2020

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-statement-on-coronavirus-covid-19-31-october-2020

In case you’ve forgotten how serious it was - Boris’s lockdown speech and update from October 2020

WTAF. Yeah, how very strange that TWO different people might BOTH disagree with you! Uncanny.

no I hadn't forgotten that speech.
have you forgotten that immediately afterwards Whitty was wheeled out to say for the vast majority it will be a mild illness and it's the vulnerable groups most at risk and it's that demographic that are at risk of overwhelming hospitals?
Surprised all your relatives missed it too as it was common knowledge from day one ( living in Wuhan excepted)

@Notmoog

Yes. An overwhelmed hospital can’t provide adequate care over all its services.

Therefore you need to control the spread of infection.

Unless you think all those who were vulnerable to Covid don’t deserve hospital resources and should what? Be euthanised? Die in pain at home with no help?

I take it you're not following the thread?
I wrote that in response to @Parker231 who was saying that medical staff relatives of hers had no idea who would be most affected by the virus: I was showing that we did know right from the beginning who was most at risk.
Not sure why you aggressively started going on about denying people treatment?

Did you not see the details per hospital of Covid patients admitted, numbers in ICU and numbers on ventilators?

sorry, I think we're talking at cross purposes.
I'm explaining that we knew from the beginning who was most at risk.
The demographic who ended up being hospitilized bore this out.

Extract from the Covid enquiry about hospitals caring for Covid patients

In addition to these serious impacts on physical health, powerful testimony from witnesses such as Professor Fong highlighted just how traumatic the last few years have been. Professor Fong described a member of staff telling him that it felt like “a terrorist attack since this started and we don’t know when the attacks are going to stop”. He also described staff in one hospital who “were so overwhelmed that they were putting patients in body bags, lifting them from the bed, putting them on the floor, and putting another patient in their bed straightaway because there wasn’t time”.

okay...........
What's that got to do with who was most at risk from this illness?

@Parker231

Could you explain why you started about leaving people to die at home or be euthanised?
Seems very out of context in relation to the discussion so want to make sure you've not confused me with someone else!

I have posted anything about that

apologies, should have been @FrumpleBoat although I am still a bit baffled as to what your posted quote has to do with anything?

@Notmoog

Because I think there’s an assumption that “I’m a healthy person, I’m not a risk of Covid - so why should I do anything?”.

It was vital to control infection spread - and that’s you, me everyone until the hospitals can cope.

Nitpicking about who exactly said what and when in the UK doesn’t really help, particularly when you see the vast majority of the rest of the world were using the same strategies.

right, would love to know where I have implied any of that and how you think it's acceptable to say
"Unless you think all those who were vulnerable to Covid don’t deserve hospital resources and should what? Be euthanised? Die in pain at home with no help?"

I was talking about who was at the most risk: it's pretty disgusting that your reply to that is to say I'm possibly in favour of withholding treatment or euthanising people.

Your posts are also irrelevant to the discussion of risk so maybe just keep your random out of thin air insults to yourself?

@Parker231

do you have an explanation yet as to why your family full of medics seemed to be the only people in the world who didn't know who was at risk?

The demographic who ended up being hospitilized bore this out

yes, but given the speed of infection amongst a completely unprotected population the outliers who didn’t match the common demographic were notable in terms of hospital/death numbers. It’s disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

it’s like pretending that flu only hospitalises and kills those most at risk. It doesn’t but most of the population has residual immune protection from previous exposure so it really is rare in comparison to the early days of Covid.

it was very very clear, and told to us many times that there was a clear demographic of who was most at risk.
I'm not sure why this is even being questioned?
I'm literally repeating what the sainted Whitty told us lots of times

@Notmoog because it’s not the watertight gospel you’re quoting it as.

@Notmoog

So why are you highlighting who is most at risk? Why do you think the Covid strategy was unnecessary?

what isn't the watertight gospel?

ok, let me repeat slowly @user44221 stated that she has lots of medic family members who had no idea at the start who was most at risk.
I pointed out that immediately after the very first statement from Johnson, Whitty came on to describe exactly who was at risk,
I express surprise that her relatives were unaware of who was most at risk.

If you want to extrapolate from that that I am in favour of enforced euthanasia; withholding of medical treatment; advocating no infection control; encourage an " I'm all right Jack" attitude then that's fine, each to their own but has no relevance to what I said

…..That only the elderly and already unhealthy are the only ones who may find themselves in hospital/ICU. We knew fairly early on that the elderly and medically vulnerable (certain conditions) were most at risk but there were, and still are, those who don’t fulfil that criteria and become very ill requiring hospital care or succumb to it. At the start of covid those outliers were notable in number precisely because there was no inherent population immunity. Less so now, but not completely.

@Cornettoninja

yeah, again I've not said
"…..That only the elderly and already unhealthy are the only ones who may find themselves in hospital/ICU."
Why are [people randomly making up stuff I've supposedly said?