COVID vaccine? Does it do anything?

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I jumped at getting the COVID vaccines when they came out and I got all the vaccines that I was eligible for to date except for this year.

I got COVID in the summer time and I wasn't able to get the vaccine this winter. My GP recommended a 4 month wait.

It's just I got COVID twice. Once in 2022 and I had that bad too. I wasn't hospitalised but still I was ill with fever, body aches, headaches and coughs for over a week. I was rushed back to work prepaturely when I still wasn't 100% better.

I got COVID this summer too. I was floored with it.

A lot of people were floored with it this summer. Even though we got the COVID vaccines.

It's just I got a reminder text to book the vaccine today and I just don't know.

I am not anti vaccine but what is the point of the vaccine when youre still going to get exposed and become ill to this anyways?

I got flu in 2004 or 2005 and I was getting flu vaccine because of my work from about 2008 and I never had flue since 04/05. The flu vaccine works. But I am questioning the COVID vaccine? What is the point of going out of my way to travel to an establishment to get jabbed and sore for a few days and if I am exposed to COVID, I am likely still going to get it.

Exactly
They think climate change is fake and its all part of control etc

And if you notice, trump and farage are very careful with their words to indicate they might agree with them

Enough said

We were unfortunate enough to have a copy of "The Light" pushed through our door. It's horrifying and if they publish such things then I can't imagine what they spout on the Internet...

It literally prevents you from getting bad Covid?... so if you were ill, you would have been VERY ill.

I had Covid 4 times, but never really bad. I cant imagine what it could have been if I was unvaccinated.

The time I had it it wasn’t that bad. So I don’t agree with you.

I had it four times, as I said. Once so bad I was in bed unable to move for a few days - but I did not die or ended up in hospital. Which I think I could have done if I was not vaccinated.

You can only compare if you had it more than once and if you are immunosuppressed, like me. Otherwise, what you say means nothing.

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen

How does a ‘vaccine’ do this? And what is the control mechanism to prove it? Previously vaccines ‘worked’, you had the jab, you didn’t get the disease. Smallpox, diphtheria, TB , polio, that was the case with all of them.

With a virus which has variable effects depending on the sufferer, ranging from a mild cold like bout to death, how can anyone say whether you would have been more ( or even less) affected than if you had not been ‘vaccinated’?

The promise of the Covid vaccine has diminished and diminished. Did it prevent you contracting it? No. Did it prevent you transmitting it? No.

There are different varieties of vaccine. As Covid constantly mutates, like influenza does, any vaccine needs to tweaked with new strains every year. It cannot be compared to polio, as polio doesn't mutate in the same manner. I recommend the guide below.

ncirs.org.au/sites/default/files/2022-12/Vaccine%20componenets%20fact%20sheet%20December%202022.pdf

I am a doctor working through Covid and we were told if patient tested positive for Covid, to put that as 1a on death certificate (even if they had been admitted with a fractured hip and admitted for a week before testing positive). I believe this was to reduce number of unnecessary post mortems and reduce spread.

Most conspiracy theories are based on some form of truth.

Just to add I had the first vaccine and had side effects that stopped me taking any more. Have Covid once afterwards as a temp and illness for 1 day as did most of my family.

i’ve seen what it can do to people in hospital and I’ve seen the milder forms in the community; have read all the published studies and have my own opinions about vaccines but professionally not allowed to speak out about it as it is against nice guidelines.

Everyone has the right to look at data and make a risk assessment for themselves. In 10 years, I wonder how many people will still be queuing for the yearly covid vaccine or will the non immunosuppressed/ <65years population actually take responsibility for boosting their immune systems ourselves - take vitamin d/ stop smoking/ eat healthily and drink more water instead 🤷🏾‍♀️

Hmm. Interesting use of punctuation for a doctor. Plus I’m not quite sure how a doctor could read and analyse every, single published paper on Covid. Surely they are too busy treating vast numbers of vaccine damaged patients?? I guess there are good doctors, bad doctors and pseudo doctors.

As a doctor I’m assuming you were following the same guidelines as others who prepared death certificates?

Doctors are required by law to certify the cause of death 'to the best of their knowledge and belief'. This means the medical professional believed COVID-19 had been involved in the chain of events that led to the death. Testing could inform part of the information provided by the medical professional, but they could also use other information (such as symptoms and x-rays, for example). This means that someone could have COVID-19 on the death certificate who may not have been tested for COVID-19. Also, in some cases, the person may have tested positive for COVID-19, but the medical professional believed that COVID-19 did.

Which hospital was this?

My Gp was fully booked, I got mine at a local chemist within 2 days of enquiring. Look on NHS website for appointments.

Pre vaccine I had Covid with severe symptoms, ending up with double pneumonia in segregated a and e at the height of lockdown.
I never want to be that ill again so have had each jab since. I have had covid 4 times since and each time has been less severe. I have had my booster this year as I feel it is helping me.

You might be a doctor in Narnia, but if you're one in the real world I'm Winston Churchill.

but professionally not allowed to speak out about it as it is against nice guidelines.

Which NICE guidelines say you can't speak out@Narniabeckons ?

The guidelines are different in Narnia, @PandoraSox. Very strict.

No idea whether @Narniabeckons is a doctor IRL or not, of course, but nothing she's said suggests otherwise to me. And I work with a LOT of doctors. Many of whose punctuation is highly dodgy, and most of whom rely on NICE guidelines as a form of protection (it may not be mandated to not speak against them publicly, but it could make your life extremely difficult). And I know a good number who promoted the vaccines at the time but wouldn't take another one now.

(I suspect "all the published studies" is rhetorical)

I am from a family of doctors (although I am not one) and, while they would agree that these are good lifestyle choices, not one, single one of them would ever imply that this

actually take responsibility for boosting their immune systems ourselves - take vitamin d/ stop smoking/ eat healthily and drink more water instead 🤷🏾‍♀️

could supplant the need for a vaccine.

I don't doubt this. Opinions do tend to cluster in families. There are many doctors, however, who are very unimpressed with the Covid jabs and would now advocate for lifestyle changes for prevention of severe infection. Obviously far fewer would say they're unimpressed with MMR/polio jabs, etc.. But for Covid, specifically, loads are now themselves rejecting the jabs.

I would not say their opinions/conversations/convictions are informed only by interaction with family.

We were just recently discussing this, and they, and the absolute vast majority of their friends, colleagues and professional contacts continue to advocate for covid jabs for their families and themselves. Quite a few are advocates of the Novavax (traditional vaccine platform rather than MRNA) jab, but nearly all are having some form of it. Most of them seem to feel it has made the difference between covid as an illness and covid as a potentially severe illness. They tend to go by research and studies as opposed to being impressed or 'unimpressed'.

Doctors always advocate for lifestyle changes for those who need them, at least in my experience. It's a given that being a healthy weight, eating a healthy diet, exercising, not smoking, having good levels of vitamin D and maintaining healthy glucose levels leave a person less susceptible to severe illness. There seem to be a lot of other factors involved in susceptibility to Covid, however, which at this point are not well-understood.

Certainly, anyone working in hospitals in the first round will tell you that there wasn't any particular rhyme or reason or easily understood pattern as to which of their colleagues were susceptible, became severely ill or developed long covid. I would guess we'll understand more in the not-too-distant future, but in the meantime, almost all of them are still recommending jabs.

"Certainly, anyone working in hospitals in the first round will tell you that there wasn't any particular rhyme or reason or easily understood pattern as to which of their colleagues were susceptible, became severely ill or developed long covid."

No, I would hope most people who worked in hospitals would have been aware that there were very very definite risk factors and it certainly was an easily understood pattern.
@user44221

It’s was a new unknown virus, no one knew in the initial days how the infection would spread or impact so many people so quickly.

"They tend to go by research and studies as opposed to being impressed or 'unimpressed'.

This is, in my humble opinion, an incredibly simplistic (ar best) or naive statement. Have a look at the paychology of opinion formation/decision-making. Doctors are not exempt. (And that's before looking at biases in reporting of the different research findings).

In any case, I suspect this may relate in part to medics' specialties. A couple of cardiologists I know say they wouldn't let their young male relatives near the mRNA versions, for example (to be fair, I haven't asked them about the Novavax).

Sorry about the typos there