COVID vaccine? Does it do anything?

[Greybottle]

I jumped at getting the COVID vaccines when they came out and I got all the vaccines that I was eligible for to date except for this year.

I got COVID in the summer time and I wasn't able to get the vaccine this winter. My GP recommended a 4 month wait.

It's just I got COVID twice. Once in 2022 and I had that bad too. I wasn't hospitalised but still I was ill with fever, body aches, headaches and coughs for over a week. I was rushed back to work prepaturely when I still wasn't 100% better.

I got COVID this summer too. I was floored with it.

A lot of people were floored with it this summer. Even though we got the COVID vaccines.

It's just I got a reminder text to book the vaccine today and I just don't know.

I am not anti vaccine but what is the point of the vaccine when youre still going to get exposed and become ill to this anyways?

I got flu in 2004 or 2005 and I was getting flu vaccine because of my work from about 2008 and I never had flue since 04/05. The flu vaccine works. But I am questioning the COVID vaccine? What is the point of going out of my way to travel to an establishment to get jabbed and sore for a few days and if I am exposed to COVID, I am likely still going to get it.

@daphney

I take it you know that most people who don't trust the covid injections have had all their other vaccines? Plus their children have.
Why does a distrust of one substance mean a person is anti vax.

I read a report that there has been a massive drop in the numbers of eligible people having the injections this year. Are there more and more people becoming conspiracy theorists or are there more people who think the injections do more harm than good?
Which do you think is more likely?

Something similar happened to a colleagues nan. The nan passed away. The hospital wanted to record it as COVID even though she didn’t die of COVID. They said they done a swab and it came positive hence why they wanted to record it as such!

There are more and more people becoming conspiracy theorists and/or that have been persuaded by misinformation to not have vaccines.

As can be seen by the highest level of unvaccinated children seen for years, and increasing measles cases. Children are being harmed by some of the misinformation out there, and it's so sad.

It is certainly on this rise among people who get their news from "alternative sources", and often site distrust of main stream media, BBC etc. I seem to remember reading something about it being 1/3 of those people.

Can I repeat the question:
Why does mistrust of one substance make a person anti vax?
Why do you assume a person who hasn't had the covid injections is anti vax?

That’s an interesting interpretation of why the NHS implemented the infection control measures it did. There is nothing concrete in existence that suggests ‘worthiness’ was a factor in decisions affecting treatments and other medical contacts.

@daphney

It is certainly on this rise among people who get their news from "alternative sources", and often site distrust of main stream media, BBC etc. I seem to remember reading something about it being 1/3 of those people
sorry, don't understand his.
Are you saying that there is a figure showing one third of people who didn't want the covid injections don't watch the BBC?
Seems a very niche stat.

apart from the blanket DNR's ..........
whole departments were ghost towns as almost all other routine treatment stopped .

It doesn't make one anti-vax in per se. But there is strong correlation between being Anti-Covid vaccination and being anti-vaccination in general. Also many of the same arguements and misunderstanding of science, evidence and anecdote.

The same "oh I know someone who had the vaccine and died/got sick/, but no one I know that didn't get the vax got sick" are used broadly across the anti-vaccination spectrum. I'm sure there are some people that just anti one vax and not another, but in general there is a huge corelation.

Emergency, cancer, maternity and A&E remained operational whilst other wards were converted to Covid wards and additional ICU capacity.

right, so it doesn't make sense to call everyone who doesn't want it ant vax. Would be nice if you stopped calling them that then.
you don't have to be a statistical genius that people who have previously not wanted any vaccines wouldn't want the covid injections.
The people who have had all their other vaccines except covid are obviously hesitant or downright a no for a reason.
What do you think that reason may be when they have trusted every other vaccine?

they may have been officially operating but you cannot deny routine cancer care etc. was suspended for many many people leading to excess deaths?

This was specifically in response to
"Are there more and more people becoming conspiracy theorists"

To which I responded yes, and its higher among those who use "alternative media" sources.

I found the article..... https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/great-replacement-theory-and-conspiracies-about-15-minute-cities-cost-of-living-and-digital-currencies-said-to-be-definitely-or-probably-true-by-one-in-three-in-uk

For example, while a third (32%) of the public overall say it’s true that the “great replacement theory” is happening, this rises to around two-thirds among those who say they get a great deal or fair amount of their news from outlets such as 21st Century Wire (65%), The Light (64%), The Exposé (63%) and Breitbart (62%).

Generally the patronising attempts at scaremongering and obsession with being right and everyone else is wrong.

I have had, and will continue to have, all the vaccines recommended to me (including the CV19 one) by medical professionals who understand my conditions. I’m not stupid, I understand how to weigh up the risk vs benefit of any medication information presented to me.

I don’t really care if someone else has it or not. The only time what anyone else was doing was of any relevance was when lifting of pandemic restrictions depended on hospital CV19 attendances falling. Even then, it was inevitable that restrictions would be lifted regardless of CV19 vaccination rates specifically.

How about instead of trying to berate people into agreeing with you (based on nothing but your wit and pithiness) you put that same effort into legitimising the concerns you raise? People undoubtedly experienced harmful consequences from the cv19 vaccines, it’s statistically impossible that no one did. The most harmful aspect is that those backing the legitimate group trying to raise this do nothing but delay progress with their toxicity.

ok, thought we were talking about the covid injections.
Love that the article you linked shows even a third of those watching the MSN appear to be conspiracy theorists!

What do you think that reason may be when they have trusted every other vaccine?

Difficult to say and probably very complex, but a rise in misinformation and social media will definitely play a huge part. The misinformation around the COVID vaccine is probably the most we've seen about any vaccine since MMR. Which is why as well as COVID vaccination, all other vaccination rates have fallen across the last 5 years.

the people against the covid injections are scaremongerers?! That's a very novel take on things I must say

It was definitely impacted - particularly screening programmes although my neighbour was still able to continue with his chemo.

or maybe people have actually looked at the risk/ benefit ratio on an individual basis and realised it's not for them.
Why would people who have had all previous covid injections suddenly become anti vax conspiracy theorists?

they are scaremongering by telling people that the vaccine will make them ill when side effects are rare.

we were, but then you asked if more people were becoming conspiracy theorists. To which the answer is yes. And there is corelation once again between the two. If you're a conspiracy theorist you're much more likely to be anti covid vax etc.

oh, I see.
I assumed you were getting confused with the massive fearmongering campaign by the gov, to get people to have the injections,
Now that was fearmongering on a scale never before seen in this country. Frightening

Do you not think that a third of people who watch BBC etc, being CT is a huge number?

anyway, I know plenty of people who are definitely not CT's but would never ever have these injections.
There's a lot of us about!

Not really. On numbers alone of those who have experienced harm vs those who haven’t, being ‘against’ the entire concept of a vaccine is entering the territory of scaremongering.

Arguing for better awareness or education so people can make an informed decision is a completely different thing and not what you’re doing. Again, put your effort into legitimising your pov rather than arguing against whatever you perceive as a threat.

Fact checker and other organisations have had to do a lot of proving antivaxxers statements are incorrect

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-myths/art-20485720