covid coming back - but how bad is this wave?

[K73c]

It's been a while since I posted . Developed sudden flu symptoms in the night & tested positive to covid this morning. Seeing more twitter - X re new wave, new variant. I know cases were still happening but wondered how many are getting it now - and how last

Respiratory viruses that mutate all the time are difficult to make long lasting vaccines to, like flu. Which is why flu vaccines are given every year.

I have just tested positive for covid, feel rubbish.

I think there was a rise again in covid cases around this time last year. As a family of 4 we all avoided covid in 2020 AND 2021, then wam...last year 5 SEPARATE lots of it - really weird as we never had it at same time despite close contact (though my kids teens and when had it stayed in there rooms pretty much which reduce likely hood of spread than say had toddlers) and my husband never had it. 5 cases spread through the year, all seasons, from memory Feb,April,Sept,Nov & Dec! I guess yes less in summer but sure numbers were increasing towards end of sch holidays. This time one teen v v v faint pos+ and zero symptoms and ONLY tested as I ws positive and she meeting a friend her her friends house. Day 5 today, still feeling wiped out but mostly fatigue, sore throat now . Tested again today in hope a faint line but the covid line came up bold before got near the higher control line!! Don't feel well enough for work - if I was working but not presently due to other health issues. But do I isolate until negative???? Last time was 12 days . School restarts soon which will be fun!!!

Protective immunity doesn’t exist according to you then? By that benchmark your theory that the immune system will magically defeat anything thrown at it is also defunct isn’t it?

The non-sterilising vaccines we have teach immune systems to handle a virus by introducing a small, weaker part of it rather than allowing a complete virus to take hold and hedging bets that the immune system will figure it out before it wrecks complete havoc on its host. This has been explained (even on newsround for an ELI5 version) extensively.

Anything administered with the intention of letting an immune system learn is a vaccine.

There is a great deal of education, resource and time put into studies and developments of this that can set out conclusions and explain, with evidence, how they were arrived at. Yet here you are stating things like the immune system starts repairing the body before it’s injured with absolutely nothing to back that up. It’s the 21st century and you’re completely wasting the sum of human knowledge and capability up to this point in time.

@K73c and @user1493222657, I hope you’re both feeling better soon.

If it doesn't prevent infection then it's not a vaccine.

Vaccines stimulate immunity, they don't prevent infection, but I have a feeling you already know that... 🙄

Yes they do, and most at risk are adults who catch it for the first time. I know someone who came very close to dying (ended up in ICU on ventilator) and now has permanent disabilities. All from chickenpox

People do die of chicken pox, especially adults. It’s why some countries vaccinate against it.

@firef1y sorry to hear that.

It's rare but chickenpox can cause encephalitis, too. It's sometimes more than just a rash.

Very similar to our case

Went away last Friday and home last Monday.
On the Monday Mum started to feel unwell, Tuesday my daughter and Yesterday for Me
We all tested Positive.

With me its weakness in the limbs (but then they feel heavy and ache), fatique, runny nose, sore throat, cough and headache.

@NeverTrustAPoliceman can I ask how you are able to get a covid vaccine this week?

We really need some decent studies on the unvaccinated and vaccinated response to future variants. Urgently.

Can you tell us your reasoning on this?

I think @BeethovenNinth is trying to imply that people who have had a SARS-COV-2 vaccination now have worse outcomes when they are infected with the virus. This is untrue, has no biological rationale nor evidence behind it, yet is something that has been pushed by anti-vaccine organisations for decades.

As always, it would be simpler if posters explicitly stated what they meant instead of leaving vague posts that leave people to speculate and worry! I would also think that if they were posting in good faith, it would make more sense to do this rather than all the cloak and daggers cryptic hints.

It also a little ridiculous to suggest that they have thought of urgent studies that need to be done that somehow has not occured to the tens of thousands of scientists & clinicians who research infectious disease & immunology.

I've felt awful this week, sore throat, awful night sweats, absolutely full of cold. Think it's probably covid. Certainly sounds like it's on the up again.

Just as an aside, my Dad died from complications related to covid. He was only 67. Totally agree that for some people it's 'just a cold' but for some it defo isn't. I think if you are ill, as others have said upthread maybe it's good to just be conscious of not spreading it around, in the same way you'd not want yo spread a sickness bug or similar to already compromised people.

To be fair biochemist, these studies wouldn’t need rocket science to produce and should surely be done as an absolute basic check, not least to give comfort to vulnerable people who need to take multiple vaccines?

i haven’t implied anything - we don’t know whether there are worse outcomes or not. Let’s do the study. I’m happy to be a test case. If it’s ridiculous then why haven’t the studies been done, or if they have, where are they?

why the attacks on those who ask questions? It’s utterly ridiculous that three years in, I can’t ask if people who were not vaccinated do better or worse with mutates variants. Why can’t I ask that?

These studies wouldn’t need rocket science to produce and should surely be done as an absolute basic check, not least to give comfort to vulnerable people who need to take multiple vaccines?

what makes you think none of this is happening? Covid and its associated vaccines are the most studied and data driven viruses and vaccinations in history.

why the attacks on those who ask questions? It’s utterly ridiculous that three years in, I can’t ask if people who were not vaccinated do better or worse with mutates variants. Why can’t I ask that?

you can ask whatever you like but the answer to your question is that there are numerous studies, all as available to you as anyone else with an internet connection. A new mutation, by definition will take some time to gather evidence about. That makes your query appear disingenuous.

Now, if your issue is that there is no study in existence that satisfies your specific parameters then how is anyone here meant to discuss that? It’s quite an individual query that isn’t one anyone here can possibly answer for you. Or is it that there is a study but not one that’s widely accepted as credible? Again, not much to discuss really is there?

None of that really adds much to the original title question either.

What studies are you saying should be conducted - specifically? What are you actually claiming about SARS-COV-2 vaccines? @BeethovenNinth

why the attacks on those who ask questions?

As I've said many a-time, there's no issues with asking questions (if you are prepared to actually consider answers).

You didn't ask a question, you just ominously and cryptically implied that people who have had a SARS-COV-2 vaccine are somehow in more danger now.

If you had specifically asked "Compared to those who remain unvaccinated, are people who have SARS-COV-2 vaccine now more at risk from currently circulating variants?" I would not have raised the points I did.

As I answered in my post, there is no truth to this claim. It has no biological rationale nor evidence behind it, yet is something that has been pushed by anti-vaccine organisations for decades. In addition we have plenty of (replicated, independent, in different settings) evidence that demonstrates better outcomes after infection with vaccination. HTH.

why the attacks on those who ask questions?

@BeethovenNinth You did not ask a question. You just made another vague scary post about vaccines.

I don't know about covid but there is an absolutely horrendous cold/virus doing the rounds here. I came down with it overnight 2 weeks ago, headaches, gallons of snot, extreme tiredness, temperature up and down. Because I was meeting with my Mum who has AF I tested, was negative. Two weeks on I'm still not 100% recovered, random bouts of exhaustion and the brain fog is just horrible, couldn't even remember my own date of birth

I think I had the same thing - I tested for covid twice 24 hours apart, both negative.

Is it that the tests don't recognise newer variants as well and so return false negative more often? Or did I really have something else?

HDH. Honestly didn’t help. Patronising as fuck.

i can’t find any studies done post omicron on the issue. Pray enlighten me oh clever scientist

As I asked before, what specifically are you asking? It's impossible to link you to studies or explain why they have not been conducted when you are being so vague.

What is your research question? What do you think should be tested?

Despite multiple posts asking @BeethovenNinth to clarify what they are actually worried about, and what research they think is missing, all we're getting is meaningless statements like...

We really need some decent studies on the unvaccinated and vaccinated

Let’s do the study. I’m happy to be a test case.

These studies wouldn’t need rocket science to produce

How can you expect anyone to give you a decent answer when you're not actually asking a question? Or is that the point?!