covid coming back - but how bad is this wave?

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It's been a while since I posted . Developed sudden flu symptoms in the night & tested positive to covid this morning. Seeing more twitter - X re new wave, new variant. I know cases were still happening but wondered how many are getting it now - and how last

This makes me wonder why bother having the vaccines it doesn’t stop you getting it or spreading it. Anecdotally the people I know that keep getting covid seem to be the ones getting all the boosters. I think it’s messing up peoples immune systems.

foxandbee I read A State of Fear yes. And she wasnt wrong. Fear was used to manipulate which was proved by the Hancock WhatsApps and she also mentioned how the clapping and Captain Tom thing was propaganda and look at the recent revelations about the CT Foundation.

Try living in the north of England. We haven’t had a summer.

Anecdotally the people I know that keep getting covid seem to be the ones getting all the boosters

This hinges on what you mean by ‘all the boosters’. There hasn’t been a booster programme for the general population for well over a year and anyone receiving more than that will have been identified as vulnerable to infection in some way. Stands to reason that groups with fragile immune systems get more infections than others given vaccinations are also less effective on a depleted immune system.

You’re adding 2+2 and getting 8.

Isn’t it more likely the boosters have worn off? Most people haven’t had one for eighteen months. At one time we were told we needed them frequently?

Someone i know had one last autumn and it had him dry retching all night

Because it stops most people getting seriously ill or dying of Covid. Do keep up.

Yep, that's exactly what's happened.

Time for people to start waking up.

Good old anecdotal evidence. If only scientists made all their decisions based on a biased hunch. Or what their mate down the pub says who can ‘see through the media”. Sounds really safe and sensible.

And I’m not sure that anyone claiming there was ‘a state of fear’ created by just our government is any better really. It’s assuming that we were all stupid and duped into behaving a particular way. And that the author and her lap-it-up readers are somehow superior because they can see through it all. That’s just not true. It was happening on a global scale. Even if you hated Matt Hancock and thought he was extremely dodgy (as most people did at the time anyway), you could see that other countries around Europe/the World were imposing similar measures.

What did Belarus do?

Anecdotal evidence is important.

People's experiences are important. They matter.

Scientists don't know everything, they don't understand everything. The human immune system, for example, scientists don't fully understand it, it's far too complex. They understand bits of it, but that's all.

The human immune system is exquisite, it's evolved over hundreds of thousands of years. It knows exactly what to do to combat infections, and trauma and it keeps cancers at bay.

When you fall over, your immune system is preparing to heal you before you even hit the ground. That's frankly, amazing.

And of course it's different in every human body. Every human body reacts differently. So that's billions of different reactions. Scientists can't even begin to understand all those billions of different ways our bodies react.

That's why a "one size fits all" policy is never a good approach to health care, in fact it's unscientific and quackery. You interfere with the human immune system at your peril.

@EmilyBrontesGhost

The human immune system is exquisite, it's evolved over hundreds of thousands of years. It knows exactly what to do to combat infections, and trauma and it keeps cancers at bay.

So you're one of those 'I trust my immune system' people.

What happens to the people who have little to no immune system? Is this where Darwinism kicks in?

@EmilyBrontesGhost

Anecdotal evidence from someone with a bias is not reliable. The point of scientific research would be to quantify, peer review, analyse and come to a consensus opinion based on the best evidence available at that period of time. Fringe science, biased views, views that don’t have sufficient peer review backing are not going to be as healthy or safe.
You sound like you think medical science just ‘shouldn’t bother’ and we should be breeding a race where only the fittest survive. You are in such incredibly dodgy territory there. Is it just vaccines you object to? What about steroids or other medication that could affect your immune system?
If it wasn’t for medical science and vaccines a person very close to me now wouldn’t be alive. Are you saying that she should have died and was dispensable? Can you see how abhorrent, upsetting and why others think your view is very wrong?

The human immune system is exquisite, it's evolved over hundreds of thousands of years. It knows exactly what to do to combat infections, and trauma and it keeps cancers at bay

… and one paragraph immediately further discredits your opinion.

That's why a "one size fits all" policy is never a good approach to health care, in fact it's unscientific and quackery. You interfere with the human immune system at your peril

Oh, the irony of saying we just need to trust our immune systems and not bother with vaccines etc and then calling prevention of illness "quackery".

It is such a good thing all those billions of immune systems eradicated Smallpox, isn't it?

How do you live when, in order to avoid the dysregulation that covid can cause to the immune system (inc p53), that means you need to avoid catching it. Other viruses do this too, but covid seems particularly good at it, and the effects are lasting (we don't yet know for how long, time is passing and its still going)

So if you want to rely on a fully functioning, perfectly balanced immune system, does that mean icw covid:
a) isolating in perpetuity?
b) masking everywhere, and lobbying for cleaner air?
c) some sort of cognitive dissonance?

I'm surprised these threads are allowed

Get a grip 🙄

When you fall over, your immune system is preparing to heal you before you even hit the ground. That's frankly, amazing.

This too. It's just not true (hyberbolic and overemotional, some might say...)

@EmilyBrontesGhost Your post does not make sense. I'm an expert in my own tiny corner of scientific research - I know enough to know that it's not possible to robustly research & come to a conclusion on something you aren't specifically an expert on.

This is why we have teams of specialists (scientists, clinicians, statisticians, policymakers) who advise on who should get what vaccines and when.

You talk about how there should be no "one size fits all" policy but I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Right now, we use all the most up to date evidence to decide for which groups the benefits outweigh the costs of specific vaccines. They are then recommended.

Yup. And when you trace these claims* to the source , all you find are quacks who making a career out of being a contrarian. You can earn a lot more money going against mainstream views than being a boring old normal scientist or clinician.

*anti medicine, anti vaccines, anti suncream, anti smear tests .... but subscribe to my monetised substack / youtube channel whilst I tell you how we can refuse all this whilst not going back to the dark ages....

My body has already interfered with my immune system and it's fucked so no idea what that means for me
If I didn't interfere with it then I would be dead

Mine too, mines hell bent on seeking and destroying everything it seems.

ah well, I’m sure eugenics will save us all!

This probably got lost as I posted earlier but I work in a long covid team. It’s real and it’s awful.

We’ve had long term conditions like ME/CFS previously but Long Covid has made a huge impact on society as well as individuals.

We have seen about 200 different symptoms attributed to Long Covid but the fatigue and brain fog affecting working age adults is massive.

Nobody who has been diagnosed with Long Covid will agree it’s ‘just a cold’. It’s worth trying to avoid it if possible.

to the head scratchers worrying about what the point on vaccines were… severity.

To be honest, COVID is still a new virus and there's still so much unknown about it. Everyone is different and everyone's immune systems are different. I casually researched HIV before. Not for any course or work. I just wanted to learn about it. If you were to read HIV support forums there is something called seroconversion after the exposure. It's how the immune system reacts to the virus in your system. Some people get no symptoms, other people get cold like illness, other people gets flu type of illness, others get rashes, other people get a whole entire mix of these. It's the immune system reacting to the virus.

I think covid is going to be the same. The intitial reaction from your immune system is your body seroconverting to the virus. For some people, it's going to be nothing, others are going to get colds, others are going to get flus. A lot of people see the intitial symptoms as just a cold or flu but it's not really a cold or flu. It's your body responding to the virus that is still relatively new with so many unknowns.