The WhatsApp message leak

[Mycatsgoldtooth]

So, we’ve had the FBI saying it was a lab leak, the leaked messages showing many of the restrictions were for show, stats on the reality of masks being mostly useless unless N95s. Where are all the people that were so upset about anyone saying anything against the government now.

It’s almost as if no one care where the virus came from and how the government reacted. If I’d spent years being terrified and washing my shopping I’d be really pissed off.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/01/untruth-untruth-peddled-justify-great-lockdown-disaster/

I understand where you're coming from re: your mum and your posts generally on this thread.

Our overwhelmed health service - offering beds to patients from abroad, not utilising the private hospitals they commissioned and building nightingales they didn’t use.

It really has

we had a family friend who had cancer, he was doing okay and then his wife got a cold, then he got it, developed pneumonia and died. It was tough for her, but if he'd wanted her to stay elsewhere, he'd have said - and I bet he'd rather have his wife in the house anyway.

it's as if people only just found about infectious disease. I can't understand it. I had my third bout of pneumonia last year. I was half expecting a shielding letter in 2020 - which I'd have ignored, as my cousin did.

Disease happens. Doing our best to avoid it shouldn't include being completely inhuman to one another.

The Nightingales were a PR stunt, no staff and there was one that was built too close to a petrol station to store oxygen, IIRC?

If there are any still doubting that he is a total bastard......

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/06/matt-hancocks-plan-block-funding-disabled-children-mp-opposed/

Westward sorry you lost a friend. I've had a few people vanish and I didn't go on about my stance but didn't keep it secret. I volunteered for the local hospice but they refused me. I did the prescription run for my block of flats and some other help for elderly neighbours, but I guess being against lockdown was really upsetting them.

my so called bestie is still around in theory, but I think that's over. Her dad died in lockdown and she has a lot of conflict over not having visited - he had cancer - and they didn't hug.

mum was hospitalised once in lockdown, a second time I had to call an ambulance but she refused to go. We've all got to go sometime but we don't stand for the state separating us.

i met a few lovely strangers in lockdown who kept me going. One lady in the supermarket said "I hope you ignore all this rubbish and cuddle your mum". I told her yes, I do. If I am actually ill, I don't see her. That's common sense and has been in place since ...well, since I left home!

I can't view that but .i'm sure there,kll be a precis on Twitter...

@EmmaEmerald huge stunt, all just to instil fear and create compliance! The other recent revelation I find hard to ignore, aside from Matt's messages is the recent attention to Covid 19 origins, which are looking likely to be lab leaked after all. Despite fact checking websites debunking this theory with the backing of SCIENTIFIC studies over and over again for the past 3 years, and government officials world over screaming that it originated from bats and any other possibility is misinformation, only now from new intel it is being said that the lab leak theory was accurate after all.

Everything we have been told is false. This whole pandemic was orchestrated, the guidelines were orchestrated, how our governments managed it was orchestrated. We were conned. Just going to be interesting to see how much more unfolds.

I know.

someone on another thread said if you knew all along, it's like double pain..we went through the pain of it, the accusations of granny killer, tin foil hatter, and that's on top of all the personal circumstances involved.

one of mum's friends who died, her daughter actually drove her to the Nightingale at ExCel. She was turned away from the nearest hospital and thought the Nightingale was the next logical place. She was confused to be turned away from there too.

Cardiff treated a few patients though I think? Welsh posters will know.

@JenniferBooth sad grey little man just epitomises the banality of evil.

Nailed it!!!

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I think quite a lot of people on the ground will be surprised that Hancock thinks we had spare ICU capacity in Nov 2020. And I’d be surprised if we were in a better place than France.

I suppose if you consider we tripled the number of ICU beds and then filled 90% of those it might technically be true, but I’d be surprised if the staff thought there was spare capacity. Nov 2020-Jan21 were fucking awful on the front line.

I think it's very interesting reading this thread.

My overall thought is have we learnt anything from the covid situation? If there was another virus next month I feel pretty sure it was be a repeat event, almost exactly as last time.

Pretty much all countries had a similar response with masks, messaging etc as far as I could tell. I do think a lot of how it played out here was mixed up a lot with the perception of a government that was largely seen as untrustworthy. And a lot of people reacted on similar lines to Brexit divisions; people signed up to one side or the other. But with the added dimension of the government trying to work out whether it would favour them to be libertarian and "Britain does it its own way" or not. And I say this as a remainer who supports Labour.

tobee "I do think a lot of how it played out here was mixed up a lot with the perception of a government that was largely seen as untrustworthy"

but they were elected by a landslide not long before lockdown. They weren't seen as untrustworthy by a majority in March 2020.

Hmm, I don't know, I think quite a lot of people didn't trust them, even if they'd just voted for them, perversely.

And there's levels of trust.

I got a very strong sense that people looked to the government and just did as they were told and believed what they were told. I got the impression they wanted to trust even if they were anti Tory. But that's just my perception.

Yes my original unedited version of my reply agrees with you. As a human being you kind of have to hope that the government you have is not going to deliberately eugenicize the population. (Is that a word?)

Also it's a lot easier to just do what one is told and not question too much. Especially when people are scared and confused as a population.

So you're going with a global orchestration theory?

It would be exactly the same. There was such censorship, there was a long running thread on here about doubts/inconsistency it was heavily policed, then deleted. It wasn't even worth it go against the killing grandma flow.

After the cruise ship where they had a perfect model to calculate the death rate and what not, it was clear that this wasn't a world ending virus. If you could not see the ridiculousness of the language and messaging, then tbh you were a credulous numpty.

@TheDailyCarbunkle

You do realise that if it was guaranteed covid would kill her then prior to covid a cold or a minor infection you gave her could also have killed her? As in, a person with such a weak immune system that the death rate for them was 100% - ie over 100 times the death rate for the typical person - would be vulnerable to literally every infection in the whole world?

You do realise that people going through chemotherapy and/or those who have had a stem cell transplant are brutally aware of this? Every time my brother (Stage IV blood cancer) has such an infection we hold our breath. A cold sends him to hospital. He had Covid for the first time recently and was urinating blood - he was very ill indeed. He doesn't have a weak immune system - he has no immune system at all.

What is it are you referring to here? I can't work it out.

Indeed. They're simply hyenas parroting each other's well-worn lines. I don't see how they can imagine their knowledge to be superior to the doctors and scientists they lampoon, but here we are. Their voices are louder and more shrill - despite the claims of being silenced - so we have to put up with them I suppose. But the more I read, the less I respect their opinion, sadly.