If you didn't get the jab, would you consider having it now?

[AreYouVeryAnti]

You'd better be quick if you're healthy and under 50...

"The Telegraph understands the Government is also preparing to wind down the open offer of the first two doses over the coming months. The move will mean unvaccinated healthy under-50s will soon not be able to get a Covid jab unless one is recommended by a medical professional."

Thankyou, it was never my intention to be disrespectful to anybody. For the majority of people covid has felt like a heavy cold, plenty of people have said it on threads here on mumsnet.

You have no way of knowing that. MN is not a scientific survey . Like wise "plenty " of people have said the opposite. Do you know the word 'anecdotal'?

Obviously i know that some people died especially at the beginning of the pandemic and that is awful. BUT the damage done by people totally overreacting has been far worse.

Many, many, people died. Not 'some' . Look it up. You have no idea what damage has been done by people 'overreacting'. Or whether it was indeed 'overreacting'.

6.88m deaths worldwide is hardly ‘overreacting’!

Just think if the uk had handled the lockdown properly how many of the over 24m UK death’s might not have happened. The vaccine programme was amazing but just not quick enough. I was a vaccinator in the early days - cold winter days but with queues around the building of people desperate for their first vaccine. When the website opened up for a new age group, appointments were taken up within the hour.

Wrong figures - Uk 24m cases and over 200k deaths.

I am on a forum for those of us who developed long covid or various damage - some from the virus, some it seems from vaccination (although less) - some have had mainly heart or breathing and chronic fatigue issues, others like me a wide variety of pretty debilitating neurological things- chronic lightheaded ness/headaches, pins and needles, constant internal vibrations, tremors etc and others muscular skeletal stuff, arthritis, spinal stenosis, extremely weak leg and arm muscles etc - some have bits of all of this. Many of these were fit and healthy 30 somethings, some of us not so fit but definitely not previously hit by this tsunami of ailments . Most vaccinated, a few not. Some were pretty I'll at the time, others with like a cold/mild flu. We aren't talking odd incidents here, there are vast numbers of these people on the forums. Lives being ruined. So whilst some may want to talk about over reaction- do be aware that not only have vast numbers died, vast numbers are living with the follow on too- but it's not exactly being publicised. Myself- well I think I was hit because on reflection I think I very likely had covid and didn't test (we were away and I didn't want to spoil things) and then stupidly had my 4th vaccination 10 days after we got back.

@Parker231

6.88m deaths worldwide is hardly ‘overreacting’!

when i looked up the stats on our world in data, i was surprised to see that there were 6.88M deaths and 676M confirmed cases to date. i ran the percentage of that and was perplexed. perhaps there is something wrong with the numbers?

clearly there is an error. i'll reassess and give the correct stat in a sec

don't know why the stat was wrong last time. certainly my error... sorry

I think the app didn't like commas, @peppathe3rd :)

Obviously i know that some people died especially at the beginning of the pandemic and that is awful. BUT the damage done by people totally overreacting has been far worse.

What overreaction could be worse than death?

I’m not sure why the deaths of nearing 7 million people is considered ‘some’. Or that trying to save people from dying is an overreaction. That IFR is high. And in Peru it was more like 5%.

@CrunchyCarrot
i think you're right about the commas! i'm not sure if your question about the overreaction was addressed to me, but that wasn't my comment just in case you thought i was ignoring you...

www.nature.com/articles/s43856-022-00106-7

We estimate that the overall COVID-19 IFR ranges from 0.15–0.43% in low-income countries to 0.79–1.82% in high-income countries, with the differences in those ranges reflecting the older demography of high-income settings.

the quote is from the linked article. i did not research the author's political leanings, but my fingers are crossed that they are not right wing zealots. i also did not study the article but quickly read through. i hope it is deemed suitable by all the nay sayers on here, and that it is indeed a medically and scientifically sound contribution to the study of covid.

What point are you making with the paper though @peppathe3rd ?

@rockly
i thought we were discussing the IFR of covid.

But to what to what end? What do you think that specific IFR estimate means?

NO!!

@rockly
i don't know. i don't have enough knowledge about IFRates of other diseases. what do you think?

This is from 2023. With Peru at nearly 5%.

coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

They pulled the Astra Zenica last summer on the quiet due to risk of clots, it is not has small a risk as they say, and I sadly know 2 who too astra zenica. More to come out on all that I expect. Meanwhile I'm very proud to be covid vaccine free and completely healthy even with covid, had worse flu. Oh and where did flu disappear to that winter the propaganda was in heavy mode? Erm strange.

Except that’s not true. There was a decision to stick with mRNA vaccines rather than viral vector. I believe because they proved to be more effective as boosters. There was a link found between blood clots and the AZ vaccine, but it was still an extremely rare side effect. It’s benefits still outweighed the risks.

And yet again the argument of - my natural immunity is better than anyone else - despite reports of nearing 7 million deaths around the globe/complications from Covid and despite overwhelmed hospitals not being able to give adequate care to
all their patients. So long as I’m alright no one else matters. And I’ll justify my stance with misinformation and over emphasising vaccine injuries which - in fact - does NOT help those with genuine injuries at all. Whilst conveniently forgetting the overwhelming and disproportionate amount of harm caused by Covid itself. I will completely dismiss any efforts/consensus opinion made by the most highly qualified and most esteemed medical professionals worldwide - because I believe my opinion is superior.

Flu cases were lower during the Covid pandemic due to social distancing, mask wearing and a high push to increase the numbers having the flu vaccination.
Im the opposite of you - very relieved to have had my Covid vaccinations and boosters as have all three generations of our extended family.

@Blueflag22 🙄