If you didn't get the jab, would you consider having it now?

[AreYouVeryAnti]

You'd better be quick if you're healthy and under 50...

"The Telegraph understands the Government is also preparing to wind down the open offer of the first two doses over the coming months. The move will mean unvaccinated healthy under-50s will soon not be able to get a Covid jab unless one is recommended by a medical professional."

This posts seems almost gleeful in the (unfounded) idea that historical vaccination could somehow be causing death 6-12 months later.

It's also not particularly informative - could you explain why you think SARS-COV-2 vaccination is causally associated with excess mortality in NZ? Which critieria for causality are met @loulouljh ?

Gleeful? Er no. Just fascinating I am sure you will agree.

I don't think think referring to a vaccination taken up by billions of people causing their deaths a year later as "fascinating" is particularly appropriate either @loulouljh In what world is that a normal reaction?

As I asked before, what makes you think this relationship is causal, when there is no robust evidence this is plausible? What criteria for causality are met?

“Four out of every five deaths in 2022 were of people aged 65 and older and 53 per cent were of those aged 80 years and older.

Stats NZ said deaths were gradually increasing over time, despite a generally increasing life expectancy.

“This is because of population growth, and more people in older ages where most deaths occur.

“The number of people in the population reaching these older ages is increasing, which will therefore increase the number of deaths occurring.”

It took me less than 30 seconds to find this statement from Stats NZ:

"3642 more people died in New Zealand in 2022 than in 2021. StatsNZ attributes this to both an aging population and the impact of the Covid-19 pandemic."

What has occurred in the last year or so loulou? I just can't remember. I do seem to recall people falling ill in record numbers, though, from a unique virus - do you?

Nowt to do with this vaccine then??!! Of course not. Look the other way. La, la, la. All good. Moving on.

why the efforts to minimise the new zealand data? it seems to be significant.

New Zealand Records biggest increase in registered deaths in 100 years. (headline from the New Zealand Herald).

as i am not familiar with the publication, i wanted to double check it was not a right wing propaganda machine...
mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-zealand-herald/

regardless of the paper's biases (i don't find that an interesting road to pursue)... is the information factual? is that headline a true statement? has new zealand recorded the highest death rate in 100 years? if so, why? certainly that is not an insignificant occurrence.

As you've been asked many times, what evidence for a causal association with the SARS-COV-2 vaccines do you have?

No credible experts (i.e., relevant expertise and experience, views backed up by robust evidence) think this is a plausible explanation, so interested as to why you do?

You should be able to summarise the arguments for this being caused by vaccines if it's something you feel so strongly about.

No one is minimising it. They're pointing out there's no evidence nor rationale as to why a vaccine given 6-12 months ago would be a contributing factor.

You add hundreds of posts to threads like these, quickly swerving from one unfounded claim to the next when someone points out the illogical and implausible aspects of your contributions.

No, it isn't. There has been - and still is - a PANDEMIC.

Did you read the actual article? The content will have answered all of these questions. (I've read it - maybe the trouble is there is no whiff of conspiracy.)

This has occurred because of Covid and an ageing population (as pet Stats NZ).

yes i read the article. your conspiracy jabs are so tiresome. with new zealand having such a highly vaccinated population, and your explanation for the death rate being that there was and still is a pandemic, how does that argument support vaccine efficacy?

@MeetPi ⬆️

www.prb.org/resources/countries-with-the-oldest-populations-in-the-world/#

new zealand is ranked 38th in this list out of 50

Ah, another swerve!

So now instead pushing yet another vaccines are useless/unsafe narrative.

^^ why won't you address posts like these @peppathe3rd ?

What is your evidence vaccination is a contributing (or indeed as you seem to implying, the only) factor.

@rockly
firstly, i did not bring up the new zealand death rate subject. secondly, i never stated or implied that vaccination was the reason for the statistic anomaly. i think you have misread the posts and assume these questions were directed at me

I'm not sure why you're now saying you're not, when you linked news articles just a few posts ago.

It's a thread about vaccines and whether someone feels they made a mistake being vaccinated against SARS-COV-2, so I think it's safe to assume that if you're bringing up excess mortality, you're trying to imply it's due to vaccination.

If not, why lead to confusion and fear by deliberately being vague and obtuse?

To clarify: you're not suggesting vaccination is the cause of excess mortality?

@rockly
if you want to scroll up and read the posts, you'll understand the context. it's very boring to repeat, as you seem to have entered this particular discussion in the middle.

I think I understand the context perfectly.

To clarify: you're not suggesting vaccination is the cause of excess mortality?

@rockly
do you see anywhere that i have written that? why do you persist?

I am literally asking you what you think and getting no clarification 😩

This is just like your posts on the Idaho extremeist senators trying to remove the option for anyone to get vacccinated, and banning all mRNA based research (which would impact far more than vaccines).

You share something with no thoughts of your own and then appear to get offended when people assume you agree with it.

It looks like you're just sharing various exteme views and scaremongering whilst simultaneously attempting to disance yourself from it.