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AIBU to be sick of people who think it's all back to normal?

794 replies

JanusTheFirst · 01/01/2023 09:16

Woke to the news that my cousin died early this morning of Covid. No underlying conditions and she was vaccinated. But she was elderly. She hardly ever went out but must have picked it up on a rare outing to the local shop.

People are still dying and we should still be looking out for those vulnerable to this awful disease. It isn't all back to normal. My cousin is dead and she wouldn't be but for Covid.

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IDontCareMatthew · 01/01/2023 13:47

This thread is batshit crazy now!

No no no.... will not test,wear a mask or co-operate with anymore lockdown nonsense. Move on...

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 13:48

@sst1234

National lockdowns are not sustainable but I think we should be looking to help out the NHS where it's needed locally.

Remember lockdown doesn't just reduce covid cases, you also have fewer cars on the road so fewer roads accidents, no one out drinking so fewer alcohol issues etc.

SalYPimienta · 01/01/2023 13:48

Nameneeded · 01/01/2023 13:10

We cannot test forever . It makes no sense to test for Covid but not test for flu. Both kill people and as awful as that is , we cannot spend millions on testing and isolating. Also , most of us would like to get back to normality with whatever shred of mental health we have left after the hysteria of lock downs. I’m very sorry for your loss but society getting back to normal is essential.

Why can't 'normality' be being aware of good ventilation practices and wearing a mask if you're sick and in all healthcare settings? Why are people obsessed with the pre-2020 version of normality that showed us how lax people in the West are regarding hygiene?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 01/01/2023 13:49

It comes from the mindset of someone with a nice house in an area where they have plenty of local friends (all with cars), and nice kitchens with space for "entertaining" and the money to pay for a takeaway or cooked meal for everyone.

So much of what we saw over lockdowns came from this point of view. 'Oh I'm SO enjoying the time off with the kiddies, WFH and being able to do my yoga, having lessons in the garden and baking our own weight in banana bread, I've realised what's REALLY important.' I bet the families in the 15 storey flats near me could have told a different story in 2020.

ILoveeCakes · 01/01/2023 13:50

Marynotsocontrary · 01/01/2023 13:38

I have said IF POSSIBLE people should stay at home if they are sick. I have said I completely understand if people need to work but, for example, they could rethink going to a party if they are unwell. Or they could keep their sick children home from school IF POSSIBLE (eg if they are a SAHP).

I really don't understand what's so inflammatory about that?

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Oh gawd! Mumsnet will be arguing over the definition of "if possible" for months, like they were for "essential"

Either way, how many hours of work would this cost the economy? I know a lot of people think "the economy" is some semi-made up thing that doesn't matter, but if you take lots of hours of work out of it, then things don't get done. eg you ring a plumber but he's booked up, you call the GP but they're isolating (even more than they are already!)

sst1234 · 01/01/2023 13:51

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 13:48

@sst1234

National lockdowns are not sustainable but I think we should be looking to help out the NHS where it's needed locally.

Remember lockdown doesn't just reduce covid cases, you also have fewer cars on the road so fewer roads accidents, no one out drinking so fewer alcohol issues etc.

Fewer cars on the road, so fewer accidents?

Oh well, in that cases there are even more benefits to high death rates. Fewer people on the planet, more food and oxygen for everyone else. Beat that.

The mind really really boggles at this kind of batshittery.

KalvinPhillipsBoots · 01/01/2023 13:51

So sorry for your loss OP, but life is back to normal, we have to learn to live with it.

ChristmasCurry · 01/01/2023 13:52

@spuddel We still do not know the host for ebola yet and that virus has been around for decades now - it is thought to be bats but has not been proved - they will be searching for the host for SARS-CoV-2 but again it may take along time.

HisNameWasMike · 01/01/2023 13:52

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 13:34

I don't think anyone is calling for lockdown but I do think we should be taking light touch, common sense measures to reduce covid prevalence and help out the NHS.

I.e. testing and mandatory isolation if positive, N95 masks in public spaces, social distancing in hospitality, capacity limits on large events, the rule of six indoors. I do also think short, sharp local lockdowns should be used where the NHS is under pressure, when people should be asked to stay at home.

For me schools are a big issue and we should be introducing masking, distancing and blended learning where necessary.

Nope.

You and others like you are completely free to put yourselves into your own lockdown. Limit your life as much as you want but don't dare to even suggest that anyone else be restricted to ease your anxieties.

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 13:52

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain

A lot of people including myself had a really positive experience during lockdown. I don't think that at should be discounted.

Many of us found it was a fantastic opportunity to decompress and move away from the fast paced lives we'd been leading.

Yes, it was difficult for some but for most people it's no hardship being asked to stay at home and watch Netflix.

ILoveeCakes · 01/01/2023 13:53

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 01/01/2023 13:49

It comes from the mindset of someone with a nice house in an area where they have plenty of local friends (all with cars), and nice kitchens with space for "entertaining" and the money to pay for a takeaway or cooked meal for everyone.

So much of what we saw over lockdowns came from this point of view. 'Oh I'm SO enjoying the time off with the kiddies, WFH and being able to do my yoga, having lessons in the garden and baking our own weight in banana bread, I've realised what's REALLY important.' I bet the families in the 15 storey flats near me could have told a different story in 2020.

These people also expected the gas, electric, water and internet to magically stay on and for food to appear on shelves.

There's a huge army of people (many of whom aren't paid that much) who went out to work every day to make their paid time off fun for them.

spuddel · 01/01/2023 13:54

x2boys · 01/01/2023 13:47

What difference would knowing where it came f rom, actually make ?
we know it was first identified in Wuhan,wether it was lab leaked or came from a wet,market or something else I'm not sure the Chinese government would be on board with full investigation,s the focus had to be on finding effective treatment

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We don't 'know' that it came from the wet market in Wuhan at all. We were told that. There have been cases found in samples from the USA and Italy in summer 2019, tested retrospectively. The bat/pangollin theory was just that, a theory. There is good evidence it was from the labs funded by the NIH. So if we knew for sure where it came from, those responsible for the accidental or deliberate leak would be investigated and prevented from further 'accidents'. I mean, we have just been treated to the latest pandemic preparedness exercise in October by none other than Bill Gates. Seemingly he knows we can expect a massive contagion in three years time. Knowledge is power.

MarshaBradyo · 01/01/2023 13:54

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 13:52

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain

A lot of people including myself had a really positive experience during lockdown. I don't think that at should be discounted.

Many of us found it was a fantastic opportunity to decompress and move away from the fast paced lives we'd been leading.

Yes, it was difficult for some but for most people it's no hardship being asked to stay at home and watch Netflix.

You can of course do a you wish with self imposed lockdowns but your wish to have more are just personal wants.

They are thankfully removed from what will happen.

Marynotsocontrary · 01/01/2023 13:54

MarysGirlChildWasLate4ChristmasDay · 01/01/2023 13:42

Because that's not actually what the op is calling for.
But considering Ofsted still penalise schools with poor attendance you'd have to change the entire culture to make this the norm.
And that includes paying teachers a decent wage and having money for sickpay. They're not even paid adequately at the moment. Again, none of your ideas are based in reality but in lala land.

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Okay, there is no Ofsted where I live (not lala land btw). Ofsted is not universal.
Instead letters are sent telling everyone to please keep their sick children home if possible. Two came in the weeks before Christmas.

grayhairdontcare · 01/01/2023 13:55

Sorry for your loss.
But covid is here and it's not going anywhere.
People don't need to test or isolate anymore.
It's just how it is now.

Cuppasoupmonster · 01/01/2023 13:55

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 13:52

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain

A lot of people including myself had a really positive experience during lockdown. I don't think that at should be discounted.

Many of us found it was a fantastic opportunity to decompress and move away from the fast paced lives we'd been leading.

Yes, it was difficult for some but for most people it's no hardship being asked to stay at home and watch Netflix.

I don’t care if it was a positive for you. If you’re that much of a hermit that you enjoy being cut off from society then move to a Scottish island. And it’s hilarious that you think all people did was watch Netflix as opposed to home schooling, looking after small children and working full time in a heatwave in a tiny gardenless flat (that was me, hooray).

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 01/01/2023 13:56

A lot of people including myself had a really positive experience during lockdown. I don't think that at should be discounted

And some of us had a fucking awful experience. I don't think that should be discounted either.

Yes, it was difficult for some but for most people it's no hardship being asked to stay at home and watch Netflix

How bloody dare you minimise how difficult it was for a lot of people by sneeringly dismissing it as 'staying at home and watching Netflix.' How bloody dare you.

ILoveeCakes · 01/01/2023 13:56

x2boys · 01/01/2023 13:47

What difference would knowing where it came f rom, actually make ?
we know it was first identified in Wuhan,wether it was lab leaked or came from a wet,market or something else I'm not sure the Chinese government would be on board with full investigation,s the focus had to be on finding effective treatment

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Natural or manmade would probably be helpful in considering how it will affect people. eg if manmade you'd ask the researchers what they were doing and optimising for.

User1785498 · 01/01/2023 13:56

Why the resurgence of all the covid threads or have they just escaped from the covid section on here

Are people perhaps hoping for a little more furlough money and a few months at home maybe.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 01/01/2023 13:57

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 13:52

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain

A lot of people including myself had a really positive experience during lockdown. I don't think that at should be discounted.

Many of us found it was a fantastic opportunity to decompress and move away from the fast paced lives we'd been leading.

Yes, it was difficult for some but for most people it's no hardship being asked to stay at home and watch Netflix.

You can do your own lockdown then. Otherwise cannot be expected to lockdown again.

sst1234 · 01/01/2023 13:57

LondonCat7 · 01/01/2023 13:52

@MrsDanversGlidesAgain

A lot of people including myself had a really positive experience during lockdown. I don't think that at should be discounted.

Many of us found it was a fantastic opportunity to decompress and move away from the fast paced lives we'd been leading.

Yes, it was difficult for some but for most people it's no hardship being asked to stay at home and watch Netflix.

Oh look. So heartwarming to see that people like you had a positive experience. Did it help you find yourself and a deeper meaning to life? When are your memoirs due out?

I’m sure people will fall over themselves to get a copy. Especially those people related to the 1000 exceeds non Covid related deaths a week right now. Or those who lost livelihoods and have never recovered. Or those whose mental health is shot to pieces. Or those whose kids life chances are destroyed forever due to the missed education and opportunities. Or the abused kids who found new depths of hell during Covid. Or he millions whose quality of life and life span itself has been cut due to the rampant inflation following Covid. Those who cannot afford to heat their homes and are dying of cold due to the fire impact of Covid restrictions.

HisNameWasMike · 01/01/2023 13:58

Yes, it was difficult for some but for most people it's no hardship being asked to stay at home and watch Netflix

The nerve of you to say that. The absolute nerve. I'm utterly disgusted by people like you.

spuddel · 01/01/2023 13:58

Yes, it was difficult for some but for most people it's no hardship being asked to stay at home and watch Netflix

You can NOT be serious?! Stay home and watch netflix? I couldn't be with my dying father in law, or attend his funeral. My grandmother was being turfed on to the streets from her holiday caravan (her home was being renovated, was uninhabitable), she was 100. The sheer audacity of you to say we were being asked to stay home and watch netflix is astounding. People are dying way over the national average now, people in middle age. According to Chris Witty its due to lack of medical care for heart conditions. I have my own thoughts on that but the facts are, the death rate is way over what it ought to be now and it's not covid. How dare you.

DisapointedSister · 01/01/2023 13:59

Yes I am a selfish person because I don’t want my now 2 year old going to kindergarten in a mask or only ever seeing her classmates on a digital screen. I want her to grow up with friends in person and when she is a teen I hope she falls in love with someone IN person. And this is coming from a person who met her husband online. While it was a wonderful romance it was very stressful figuring out dates and meeting each other and I will even admit that it was very sexually frustrating.

Lockdowns cannot continue. We must find another way. I hate to say it but the young healthy people have done our parts. The ball is now in the elderly and sick peoples’ court. I don’t pretend to know the answer but they must assess their own risk and determine how they would like to live their lives. I imagine OP’s cousin decided she didn’t like feeling cooped up so she went out and got sick? I’m not saying it was her fault.

But seriously why must everyone else suffer because some are more vulnerable than others?

If you think you are vulnerable we have given you plenty of time to adjust. Go put yourself in a bubble. We will not bend over backwards anymore so you can have it easier.

I don’t care if that makes me selfish. It’s not about me anymore it’s about my daughter. She deserves to go out, be free and have a life that is not purely digital.

Theluggage15 · 01/01/2023 14:00

I’m presuming LondonCat is on a wind up. Surely no one can be that dense?