If you could go back in time, would you still get the jab?

[Quweenie]

If you could go back in time, would you still get the Covid jab?

I don’t really care if you’re vaccinated or not, but I’m interested if people would go back and change their decision?

I fully respect anyone's decision re vaccination.

The outage is directed towards people posting random crap designed to cause fear in those that have been vaccinated, and to coerce people who would benefit, out of making an informed decision.

It is also directed at the fact that this subset of posters are blindly happy to believe anything someone tells them as long as it is "anti-vaccine", whilst being highly suspicious of anyone with mainstream views.

Finally, it's the fact that they are doing free advertising from those that are using the pandemic to profit, by causing harm and misery.

No one is angry because secretly they're worried about being vaccinated, this is a narrative you've just made up.

@Marmunia10661975 why are you blindly following and repeating claims that have no basis in evidence - why can't you think for yourself?

Why are these people always so toxic?

So refreshing to see some awake people on here..was not like this 2 years ago.

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The social conscience thing is bollox, the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission.
It's a personal decision and none of your fucking business.

Yep don't give a shit about the people dealing with Covid admissions in hospitals.

awake people = noses in google

I'm not entirely convinced that these are all independent account to be honest.

DH knows three people in his industry who have had long-term issues from the vaccine. One had a blood clot in his leg, one now has heart arrhythmia and various other issues and the third I'm not sure of details but is adamant his health has been affected. All three youngish men.

In the interests of fairness he also knows two people who have ended up in hospital very unwell from covid, although both were vaccinated.

I'm genuinely surprised at how vociferously some people defend the vaccines - they're pretty new technology, pharmaceautical companies aren't known for their ethics and honesty around clinical trials and regulatory bodies are imperfect.
Given this, it's perfectly normal and logical that some people would be a bit sceptical about taking it.

Add to that there was clearly a huge push to get as many people as possible vaccinated - understandable, perhaps, given the circumstances but it crossed the line into propaganda and censorship. And that was always going to make the already sceptical suspicious.

I genuinely don't see why it's remotely controversial to say any of this. It feels like the whole thing has become part of the culture wars or almost a religious belief.

I'm not up for a debate about my post btw, I've done that to death over the last couple of years when I shared my own personal, health-related reasons for not being vaccinated. Just wanted to point out that it's hardly ragingly irrational to be a bit cautious about taking a new pharmaceutical.

I obviously don't believe that it's some sort of death drug developed to cull the majority of the human population. But it's quite possible for a drug to have quite a high risk of side effects and it not get picked up on for a long time. Doctors are notoriously dismissive of any iatrogenic injury and the press in general is quite clearly loathe to publish much negative.

The key point for me is that there should never have been the level of coercion, mandates etc that there was. One of the young men I know was actually really relucant to have it but had no choice if he wanted to continue working as the industry involves near-constant travel. His health is now probably permenantly affected. He was at no actual risk of the virus being fit and healthy in his early thirties, and it's not like the vaccines prevented spread, so he's been damaged for nothing after being forced in the first place and that doesn't sit right at all.

He was at no actual risk of the virus being fit and healthy in his early thirties so he's been damaged for nothing

I think it's worth pointing out the evidence is very clear that, on a population level, it was far better for this demographic to be vaccinated than not vaccinated, hence the recommendation.

This of course is not helpful at all if you are someone who has had side effects, and I am sorry that he was pushed into by mandates which I was completely against for the general population.

I'm genuinely surprised at how vociferously some people defend the vaccines - they're pretty new technology, pharmaceautical companies aren't known for their ethics and honesty around clinical trials and regulatory bodies are imperfect.
Given this, it's perfectly normal and logical that some people would be a bit sceptical about taking it.

Genuinely surprised who illogically and vociferously some people attack having the vaccine in the face of what must be the most heavily scrutinised program in our history.

And in the face of the real actual numbers.

I genuinely don't see why it's remotely controversial to say any of this. It feels like the whole thing has become part of the culture wars or almost a religious belief.

Given that the global consensus is pro vaccine, medically, scientifically, politically. That billions have successfully had it with good outcomes it seems the boring old status quo is pro vaccine.

The fervent and almost religious believers are the anti vax brigade who fly in the face of basic world wide evidence and logic. To keep that up in the face of global consensus smacks of fanaticism.

I think it's acceptable to believe that covid harmed some people and the vaccines harmed some people.
The majority have been fine but nobody should be attacked for their opinions, including medical professionals.
I think it's crazy how easily people turn against each other now. Not just for covid, but across the board.

You’re determined to make people a tribe with the same mindset.
Some people didn’t have it because they believed they were in low risk groups, some people didn’t have it because they saw extreme side effects for people who had the vaccine before them, I personally had two when COVID was a serious lung condition and then didn’t take up boosters when it evolved to become omicron, some people don’t trust pharmaceutical corporates and know that the same people heavily invested in the main media organisations financially benefit from a whole population taking a vaccine which their media promote.
You can deny or accept it but there is a whole community of vaccine injured and vaccine bereaved finding each other as they have no other support since their experience is denied and written off, thousands of them met a week or two ago to protest at BBC buildings, they covered the windows with pictures of the dead and I don’t think (although I’m happy to be corrected) that one media outlet reported on it, if an unvaccinated person died of COVID though that would be news worthy of course.

Sorry that wasn’t to you daykay, the person who said anti vax brigade

Sorry that wasn’t to you daykay, the person who said anti vax brigade

that was me. I'm not trying to make everyone the same. I realise there's nuance and variety

and I also realise there are vaccine injured.

But please don't come on here saying your neighbour got shingles or cancer and they 'know' it's the vaccine.

Or the birth rate has dropped. Or other nonsense. That simply isn't true.

@itwasntmetho

It simply doesn’t make sense. If there were huge swathes of vaccine injured, there would be at least one country globally reporting this. You can’t conclude that - somehow - the whole world has colluded together and covered everything up?? That’s just utterly ridiculous!

What’s far more likely is : the whole mistrust, anger etc that has been created by the government (and I’m separating them from science), high levels of individualism and psychological reactance, the advent of echo chambers and social media, unregulated think tanks along with the Dunning Kruger effect have led to - people rejecting the vaccine and finding comrades to back their stance, and attributing ailments to the vaccine to support their bias - which may not be the case.

The whole point of a qualification is to give a professional assessment which accounts for any potential bias. Otherwise anyone could claim anything! I could say the vaccine has turned my hair grey!

@sunglassesonthetable I should take pleasure from the fact that you’re obviously seething at the “anti-vax” responses.
You have us all type-cast and character profiled as morons who get all their news from the pub, Google, Facebook or Instagram. Anarchists!!
I don’t get any pleasure but instead I pity you deeply.

Actually no, that’s too strong, pitying a person like yourself serves neither of us. Carry on, as you were.

@MeetPi for you, I have hugs. You need a few.

this is a thread for those of us who regret the jabs. Why we regret them should be of no concern for the rest of him who are trying to convince us that we should be queuing up incessantly for more. Why on gods green earth do you care so much?

this is a thread for those of us who regret the jabs

no it's not, just read the OP! @statementstate

Why we regret them should be of no concern for the rest of him who are trying to convince us that we should be queuing up incessantly for more

This also doesn't really make sense, as the majority aren't even offered a booster.

As always on threads that become a hub for misinformation, the issue isn't with someone being or not being vaccinated, it's all the fake claims about vaccines that inevitably end up being posted.

People claiming that everyone is going to drop dead/get cancer/have a heart attack because they were vaccinated a year ago - it's harmful nonsense that causes real harm. Particularly problematic on a forum heavily weighted towards pregnant women where boosters are recommended.

should take pleasure from the fact that you’re obviously seething at the “anti-vax” responses.
You have us all type-cast and character profiled as morons who get all their news from the pub, Google, Facebook or Instagram. Anarchists!!
I don’t get any pleasure but instead I pity you deeply.

Seething 😁

Why on gods green earth do you care so much?

Tbh don't care at all.

But you do care @sunglassesonthetable, it really gets to you, look at you, all enraged…you probably have been chatting about it with your fellow foot soldier neighbours and “medical professional” friends about how thick we all are. You’re sick of being told to wake up and being referred to as a sheep by uneducated anti-vaxxers who dismiss all the facts you regurgitate from your peer reviewed studies on your favourite medical journals. We just won’t do what we’re told or stop spouting
our anecdotal evidence, no matter how many times you and the other diehard vaxperts/scientists/epidemiologists on here shrill and shriek. After all you lot know far better than the us compromised misinformation spreaders.
I get why you’re seething to be honest. It’s the fear as I’ve said before, it oozes out of your fingers. You’re still alive and well though, so you should
calm down a little. “Stress induced” heart issues are rife these days, or so we’ve been told!

@Biochemist misinformation is made up. It’s propaganda. It doesn’t mean anything anymore. It has become an over used buzzword on mumsnet, just like narcissist.

if you want anyone to take heed of anything you say (presumably) using that word doesn’t add to your points as far as I’m concerned. Maybe the rest of you love it though. You’d think some of you are receiving royalties every time you use it.

I have respect for your comments on here, despite having opposing views, but the misinformation label is redundant at this point.

But you do care @sunglassesonthetable, it really gets to you, look at you, all enraged…you probably have been chatting about it with your fellow foot soldier neighbours and “medical professional” friends about how thick we all are. You’re sick of being told to wake up and being referred to as a sheep by uneducated anti-vaxxers who dismiss all the facts you regurgitate from your peer reviewed studies on your favourite medical journals. We just won’t do what we’re told or stop spouting
our anecdotal evidence, no matter how many times you and the other diehard vaxperts/scientists/epidemiologists on here shrill and shriek. After all you lot know far better than the us compromised misinformation spreaders.
I get why you’re seething to be honest. It’s the fear as I’ve said before, it oozes out of your fingers. You’re still alive and well though, so you should
calm down a little. “Stress induced” heart issues are rife these days, or so we’ve been told!

Chillax @statementstate

just looking at my fingers. 😄

you sound a bit deranged. @statementstate