If you could go back in time, would you still get the jab?

[Quweenie]

If you could go back in time, would you still get the Covid jab?

I don’t really care if you’re vaccinated or not, but I’m interested if people would go back and change their decision?

Delighted to see the jabs being pulled as the birth rates plummet and as we are inundated with sudden deaths!!!!!!!

So stupid it's funny tbh.

You must live in fear @loulouljh

I have a strong feeling this thread will not age well....in the meantime carry on with your heads in the sand.....I have no idea what I am supposed to have fear of...I was certainly be living in fear if I had had that crap put into me....but each to their own!

in the meantime carry on with your heads in the sand..

I find these statements baffling.

I don't want to get a booster if they're dangerous, and I certainly don't want my loved ones to. If it turns out I've got a ticking time bomb inside me I'd also quite like to be aware.

Therefore, I keep up to date with the latest evidence. There is absolutely nothing to suggest it was a mistake to be vaccinated.

.I was certainly be living in fear if I had had that crap put into me.
There's a weird glee around these kinds of posts @loulouljh

I have a strong feeling this thread will not age well...

13 billion vaccines in, your arguments are ageing like a new Betamax.

I'll leave you with your head in Google.

@loulouljh

Just wondering your views on Mumsnet deleting your posts? Are they also part of the global tyranny - or is it because you are posting harmful, unverified claims and misinformation?

I was certainly be living in fear if I had had that crap put into me....but each to their own!

tbh most people i know have had it and they're fine👍🏻 And not worried.

have no idea what I am supposed to have fear of..

the idea that more than 60% of the world's population has been vaccinated- with this 'crap'- What's going to happen??????

@TheHumanExperience you have some similarities to my situation. I discussed it on here at the time under a different username and was given a lot of grief for it but I feel very vindicated now - covid itself was a non-issue for me and unlike several members of my support group I'm not now contending with a relapse.
I'm still pretty salty that my private medical decisions became part of a wider culture war.

@FrostyFifi

I do agree with you to an extent. It should be a personal decision. There should be consent. I think the issue arises when that justification is based on misinformation - and that misinformation is shared in an echo chamber which can easily happen on social media. The best and safest advice is the advice with the most robust evidence. E.g there is no evidence that the vaccine affects fertility. Therefore to suggest otherwise based on a hunch, misinterpretation of data, anecdotal evidence - is potentially harmful to say - someone reading who is pregnant. (I’m not saying that’s your belief - but it was discussed upthread). That’s absolutely needs to be challenged.

I wouldn’t really challenge your personal decision - unless you are forcefully trying to justify it with unverified science - or by calling the vaccine ‘crap’.

@MinkyGreen

I take your point about the global consensus being able to change and the vast majority of the time being right. Can't argue with that. But could we perhaps agree that sometimes it takes the global consensus ship quite a while to turn around? For example, years and years went by before a link was made between smoking and cancer (not to mention all the resources ploughed into keeping schtum on the truth while the profits kept pouring in). This doesn't mean smoking was safe until the consensus changed, it means that the initial consensus turned out to be wrong. And I'd have been quite happy to act against the consensus from the beginning, rather than getting a good few years of lung damage.

To be honest, the global nature of everything now only resonates to the extent that 100,000 lemmings can't be wrong.

@AreYouVeryAnti

13 billion doses and about 70% of the world population have been vaccinated against Covid 19. So there is more than sufficient data - and it’s not really a case of lemmings.

I don’t know about smoking, but I think the link with lung cancer was discovered mid sixties and first warnings appeared mid to late sixties. I’m pretty old - but I can’t remember ever having the impression it was safe.

Again - there are too many success stories from medical science to prove that global consensus is generally the right advice and the safest advice. If you need treatment for any ailment it’s very, very much more likely to be cured if you listen to the global consensus opinion than follow an unregulated and discredited source - or a source that has no peer backing. If you make a decision for global public health based on an unregulated source/a niche study which has no peer backing/thoughts expressed in an echo chamber/a hunch or anecdotal evidence - there will be a greater likelihood of things going wrong. But I agree that consensus is not 100% perfect and rigidly accurate.

But could we perhaps agree that sometimes it takes the global consensus ship quite a while to turn around? For example, years and years went by before a link was made between smoking and cancer (not to mention all the resources ploughed into keeping schtum on the truth while the profits kept pouring in). This doesn't mean smoking was safe until the consensus changed, it means that the initial consensus turned out to be wrong. And I'd have been quite happy to act against the consensus from the beginning, rather than getting a good few years of lung damage.

Surely that's a bit apples and oranges as a comparison, though? I don't know that there was ever and initial consensus that smoking was safe. A quick google tells me that the first links to cancer were discovered in the 40s, confirmed in the 50s, with the first warnings on cigarette packs introduced in 1966 (US).

This worldwide vaccination program is unmatched in terms of real time observation and publicly available data analysis. Yes, there were bad actors around tobacco, but the who exactly would the bad actors be around a vaccination program, the sheer scale and scope of which must make it the most watched medical intervention ever?

@loulouljh

I do hope your distrust of science means you won't ultimately need medical treatment, as every doctor I know (and I know a lot) is vaccinated, so will be taken out along with rest of us lemmings when the great vaccine reckoning arrives.

No way! Fine without the poison.

Me too - feel sorry for those who succumb to it, or have life-altering effects from the v just to bloody well go on holiday!

Yes , had 4 and not caught covid yet despite being in close contact several times. No real side effects from the jab.

Only relative who didn't get the jab after it was available died of covid while his vaccinated wife saved herself the cost of a divorce so it seems pretty clear to me they work

But could we perhaps agree that sometimes it takes the global consensus ship quite a while to turn around? For example, years and years went by before a link was made between smoking and cancer (not to mention all the resources ploughed into keeping schtum on the truth while the profits kept pouring in).

This isn't a logical comparison though @AreYouVeryAnti

Vaccine safety inc side effect profiles has been evaluated by what must amount to hundreds of independent groups and data sources - this includes regulatory bodies worldwide, governmental organisations, academic groups and research insitutes.

A global conspiracy where all these people agreed to keep schtum/fake data or whatever is not a rational leap to make.

This must've been one of the most heavily scrutinised health interventions in the history of humankind, and it's still ongoing.

Me too - feel sorry for those who succumb to it, or have life-altering effects from the v just to bloody well go on holiday!

Feel sorry for those who have died or had life altering effects from Covid also tbh.

This must've been one of the most heavily scrutinised health interventions in the history of humankind, and it's still ongoing.

Which is why this thread isn't ageing well for some posters.

I wouldn't want that in me either. Just think of the buyer's remorse!

The remorse I've seen is from people turning up in A&E with covid induced hypoxia, sorry that they hadn't had the vaccine.

I'm sure they've been begging for the vaccine at A&E just as the Twitter doctors told us. 'Just before they intubated people, they begged for the vaccine but it was too late' was the churned out line.

What has the vaccine actually done?? Cos most people who are on their third bout seen to be fully vaxxed?? Meanwhile the rest of us are fine.

What has the vaccine actually done??

In the US, it's done this. I'm sure there's a comparable study for the UK.

Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths

Findings

From December 2020 through November 2022, we estimate that the COVID-19 vaccination program in the U.S. prevented more than 18.5 million additional hospitalizations and 3.2 million additional deaths. Without vaccination, there would have been nearly 120 million more COVID-19 infections. The vaccination program also saved the U.S. $1.15 trillion (Credible Interval: $1.10 trillion–$1.19 trillion) (data not shown) in medical costs that would otherwise have been incurred.

What has the vaccine actually done??

Saved lives both directly (from COVID) and indirectly (reducing burden on healthcare), reduced infections, severity of illnesss and long term complications.

Baffling that with all the evidence, literally in front their your eyes, people can't see this.

Cos most people who are on their third bout seen to be fully vaxxed?? Meanwhile the rest of us are fine.
Your anecdotes are not bourne out by replicated data @Marmunia10661975

What has the vaccine actually done??

Listening to reporting from China last week. Covid ripping through. One small village of 1,000 people had buried 400 people.

*Cos most people who are on their third bout seen to be fully vaxxed?? Meanwhile the rest of us are fine.
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What, is that in your family? Your street maybe? Everyone in your office? The people you know from your kids school? Or do you mean the entire world of billions who have had the vaccine.

God alive.