If you could go back in time, would you still get the jab?

[Quweenie]

If you could go back in time, would you still get the Covid jab?

I don’t really care if you’re vaccinated or not, but I’m interested if people would go back and change their decision?

@Rebel2023 maybe those are the reasons. Who knows. Time will tell.

@loulouljh I hadn't heard anything about birthrates before?
Hours about to be lost to surfing the what's true what's not precipice of Coividbollocks on this issue now!

From the NHS guidelines :

Fertility and COVID-19 vaccination

There's no evidence the COVID-19 vaccines have any effect on your chances of becoming pregnant.

There's no need to avoid getting pregnant after being vaccinated.

There's also no evidence that the COVID-19 vaccines have any effect on male fertility.

And again we have the issue of hunches being thrown around on social media by people who are not experts. Who rely on a ‘Google search’ which throws up their latest unregulated bit of misinformation rather than listen to the global consensus advice that has the most robust evidence, has been scrutinised, peer reviewed and is the same advice whether you are in the UK or on the other side of the world.

@MinkyGreen I am sorry but I would take anything the NHS was an absolute pinch of salt! That source I am afraid would be the last one I would believe.

@MinkyGreen I sort of admire your dedication to the cause, I'd definitely appoint you as head of the Ministry for Truth. You've got lots of fans on here who agree with you 100%.

Do you think there have ever been times that the global consensus has been wrong, or at least not entirely right, and that this is at least within the realms of possibility? (Oxycontin, Thalidomide, flat earth etc.).

I do, because I believe in research based evidence as sources of believable data.

I am sorry but I would take anything the NHS was an absolute pinch of salt! That source I am afraid would be the last one I would believe.

You couldn't make it up. NHS airily dismissed.

Poor examples.

There has never been "global consensus" on oxycontin or thalidomide. Oxycontin is a powerful narcotic that is highly addictive. There are health warnings about this issue. In the late 1950s (more than half a century ago) it was used by a relatively small number of pregnant women, leading to severe birth defects in approximately 10,000 children. Thalidomide is still used today to treat various conditions.

Neither is comparable to a vaccine that has been given to hundreds of millions of people around the world.

And it has been known for thousands of years that the earth is round.

Do you think there have ever been times that the global consensus has been wrong, or at least not entirely right, and that this is at least within the realms of possibility? (Oxycontin, Thalidomide, flat earth etc.).

Interesting question.

I do groan inwardly when the NHS is held up as the beacon of medical excellence too.
I can't get past the amount of physically healthy children who's bodies and futures have been damaged by (experimental) puberty blockers.

I don't want to derail this thread, I know there's a topic for this but these kids are over represented by Autistic children, children in local authority care and girls who have been the victims of childhood sexual abuse. They were already vulnerable and more likely than others to feel at odds with themselves, yet they were allowed to be medicalised for these feelings and the media outlets cheerlead this whilst mocking voices urging caution as bigots and not progressive.
Whistle blowers have been demonised there too and it took years for a proper review and the Tavistock to be closed down.

I know they do amazing things too and we are overall lucky to have a health service, but thinking any body can never be questioned is dangerous.

Why would I not get the jab?! Silly question really!

Yes, of course.

Yes. I'm wondering if I'll get another one.

Yes.

@loulouljh
@itwasntmetho

So if you are anti-NHS, then you look to the European guidelines - or the global guidelines. If every UK comparable country is saying pretty much the same thing ie : safe and effective, then surely that advice is safer than a niche study/anecdotal evidence/a hunch - which has no peer review or substantial
backing.

@AreYouVeryAnti

No it’s not Ministry of Truth, it’s the best and safest advice available at a point in time. Nothing is 100% certain or rigid. It’s fluid. If sufficient, robust data / peer reviewed data became available to challenge the currently held consensus opinion- then it would change.

Yes - I’m sure there are many examples were certain drugs have proved harmful - and consensus advice changed accordingly. I would never expect medical science to be perfect - or to be historically perfect. If you cherry pick a few examples of medicine going wrong, how far is that out weighed by - medical science being right??
Billions and billions of doses have now been administered globally - and if there was now robust concerning data about their efficacy - at least one comparable country globally would be saying - hang on…. - but that ain’t happening!!!

Doesn’t just the whole global scale of the situation resonate?? That every comparable country to UK is giving the same advice???

They’re pulling the vaccine for healthy under 50’s.

@itwasntmetho

Which has nothing to do with its safety…

Did I say it did?

Nope, but it's being heavily promoting by anti-vaccine groups as some kind of comment on safety/effectivness.

I'd say "pulling" has pretty negative connotations.

Mangaging to get most people vaccinated before their first exposure to COVID had incredible public health benefits. Now pretty much everyone has been exposed and developed a level of immunity.

Offering vaccination to the general population is no longer cost effective, and like 'flu, pneumonia, and shingles, it makes sense to only continue to offer it to those at higher risk.

Nope. I wouldn't change it. A blood clotting disorder that runs in my family means it could have killed me. Regardless of that fact, I kept getting the general bombardment of go and get your covid vaccine. Which I ignored luckily. I don't take any medication for that reason. No medication can be tested on every individual's potential risk factors. We are all human but we can all have underlying conditions we know nothing about. Studies are only tested on 'healthy volunteers'. My quirkiness from ADHD means I think about things in ways most people don't. I make no apologies for that. I am just naturally suspicious of medical interventions that treat symptoms and not the cause.

Yes, and I'll keep updating, depending on scientific consensus about how to keep covid at bay. The vaccine has made me ill for 24 hours each time. Worth it, IMO.

Blood clotting was only seen as a very rare side effect of the AZ and J&J vaccines, not the MRNA vaccines. Abnormal blood clotting is much more likely if you have a serious case of covid.

Blood Clotting, COVID-19 and Vaccines

Blood clotting is a well-recognized complication of SARS-CoV-2 infection. It has also been identified as an extremely rare side effect of certain COVID-19 vaccines. The risk with vaccines is exceedingly low and individuals are at a significantly higher risk of developing a blood clot from COVID-19 infection than following COVID-19 vaccination.

They’re pulling the vaccine for healthy under 50’s.

It's such weighted language. ' Pulling'
And so cryptic.

Just like the " Fertility rates are dropping " earlier.

It is almost like you wanted to put negative associations into play.

It's so blatant its hilarious.

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Enquiring minds. I suppose that's one way to describe it.

What total nonsense.