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Has anyone seen the 1,000 peer reviewed medical papers about vaccine injuries.

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sassandfaff · 19/09/2022 19:55

community.covidvaccineinjuries.com/compilation-peer-reviewed-medical-papers-of-covid-vaccine-injuries/

Would this influence anyone from getting the next booster?

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Pengwinn · 20/09/2022 07:59

SudocremOnEverything · 20/09/2022 07:48

Given the enormous barrier to many people actually engaging meaningfully with the research (as this thread shows), what more can health authorities and individual doctors do than try to make recommendations based on their (ongoing) review of the evidence. Individual doctors can help translate key research to aid individual decision making but, at some point, people are going to need to just accept that the medical profession has actual expertise (and no one is trying to harm them!)

people put more trust in the dodgy takeaway they use at 3am (where, actually, scrutiny of the many processes and the provenance of the food may be merited!) than they do in well evidenced medical research.

we defer to peoples expertise and guidance in all sorts of ways. You don’t find anti civil engineering websites with lists of papers about the tensile strength of different materials and people shouting about how they need to make informed decisions before they cross a bridge. But there’s still been a lot of decision making gone into the design and construction of that bridge on behalf of the users.

Well yes I agree, I didn't say I didn't. But would a doctor recommend a healthy 17 year old male get the vaccine if they were giving individual advice based on the emergent research that they deem credible? Possibly, possibly not. As its not the case that healthy people will receive bespoke recommendations there should be more transparency in the guidance imo. Of course for those under consultant or other medical care that are recommended to get it I'd trust that.

JenJones5 · 20/09/2022 08:09

Samarie123 · 20/09/2022 07:16

My cousin for example - 38 found dead in bed - heart attack.

Had he gone to bed the previous evening? A very high fraction of people who die in their sleep have done that.

knittingaddict · 20/09/2022 08:13

sassandfaff · 19/09/2022 20:13

It doesn't matter what the site's called, it's always going to be deemed 'antivax' if it doesn't say that vaccines are all singing and dancing though.

The links themselves are all individual links to various scientific/medical studies. Are all 1,000 to be dismissed so quickly as I'm sure you haven't read them all.

Of course it matters what the site is called. 🙄

You seem very insistent on us taking this "research" you have done seriously. Curious to know how you found this and what your motivation for looking was.

Yes, I am getting the vaccine booster this autumn.

PuzzledObserver · 20/09/2022 08:13

@Redburnett actually don’t worry - I found it myself. I’ve booked a COVID booster for myself (I’m eligible already as have diabetes, which makes me high risk) and a flu jab for both DH and myself.

I’ve had COVID twice. The first time was just as they were starting to roll out vaccines, but hadn’t reached me yet. The second time was last month. Neither time was I seriously ill. Both times I felt rotten for a few days, and was then very fatigued - took about five weeks to recover the first time, maybe 2-3 weeks the second.

I had the two initial doses of vaccine, plus a booster last Autumn. In all 3 cases I had 12 hours or so of feeling a bit off. I don’t know anyone who has had a serious reaction to the vaccine. I know quite a few people who have been seriously ill with Covid and several who have died.

But more importantly than those anecdata - I trust the scientific process and the calibre of the people who do the analysis which leads to the recommendation that taking a Covid-19 vaccine is lower risk than not taking it - at both individual and population levels.

JoeMaplin · 20/09/2022 08:19

Nope, I work in a field of very specific disability and have seen a few vaccine injuries causing the disability I work with. I am currently working with someone with the same disability and a myriad of other serious health problems caused by Covid. I have had 5 jabs already, my 6th only delayed as I had covid again. I’m immunosuppressive, I’ve had covid twice and whilst a nasty virus, I was fine. I wouldn’t have liked to take my chances pre vaccine.

this is before I even mention the dodgy credentials of that site.

sashh · 20/09/2022 08:29

sassandfaff · 19/09/2022 20:13

It doesn't matter what the site's called, it's always going to be deemed 'antivax' if it doesn't say that vaccines are all singing and dancing though.

The links themselves are all individual links to various scientific/medical studies. Are all 1,000 to be dismissed so quickly as I'm sure you haven't read them all.

Did you read any of the actual journal articles?

The only one I linked to and read was 4 patients arriving with myocarditis, they had all had a covid vaccine, but that doesn't mean there was any correlation.

They could have all been sunbathing or eaten the same food.

When seat belts became compulsory the rate of broken ribs went up. This does not mean that seatbelts are a risk, it means that people who would have been killed going through a windscreen now ended up with a couple of broken ribs and some bruising that would resolve with time.

Reallyreallyborednow · 20/09/2022 08:31

Well yes I agree, I didn't say I didn't. But would a doctor recommend a healthy 17 year old male get the vaccine if they were giving individual advice based on the emergent research that they deem credible?

well yes, they do. When it was shown one vaccine had a higher risk of AE, a different one was given to that group.

most individual dr’s, Gp’s, even hospital specialists, don’t have the time or resources to be comprehensively reviewing vaccine literature. So they simply won’t know about the “emergent research”. There are many people whose full time jobs lie in reviewing the evidence and presenting best practice data, which is what dr’s read and are guided by. It is not up to them to “deem credible” as they do not have the depth of knowledge to make those decisions.

Firstshoes · 20/09/2022 08:38

I developed adult onset asthma following my first covid vaccinations which means I have to use daily strong steroid inhalers along with constant awful rhinitis/sinusitis...previously healthy with neither of these issues.

Suedomin · 20/09/2022 08:39

Not at all. I've had mine. No side effects at all.
Every medical intervention or drug has potential side effects. But the good outweighs the very small chance of possible risk.

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santorinii · 20/09/2022 08:43

I have had my vaccines and the only side effect I had was bruising and a sore arm. So I would consider my own previous experience if I was going to have another vaccine vs this study.

Suedomin · 20/09/2022 08:43

developed adult onset asthma following my first covid vaccinations which means I have to use daily strong steroid inhalers along with constant awful rhinitis/sinusitis...previously healthy with neither of these issues.

Was it a result of the vaccine or was that just coincidence?*
I developed this too during the Pandemic. But it was before I had the vaccine.

ODFOx · 20/09/2022 08:43

Self limiting acute myocarditis is a well characterised ( as shown by these studies) very low incidence side effect of covid 19 infection and some covid 19 vaccines. These papers show that the medical community is aware, and is publishing to share information with the rest of the community.

Meanwhile a few of those papers are from researchers trying to work out the mechanism in case there is a way to engineer that feature out of the Covid 19 genetic code in the vaccine.
This is how research works: we test theories, collate data and make conclusions. Or do you think that this list of papers somehow shows that the vaccines are worse that the disease itself OP, because that isn't stated or even implied in any of the abstracts I've just skimmed ?

knittingaddict · 20/09/2022 08:59

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sunglassesonthetable · 20/09/2022 09:01

In the past and especially during Covid you would hear over and over again

" do your research"

" I've done my research "

"at least I've done my research"

Judging by this thread, stumbling across a bunch of stuff on the internet and then deciding 2 + 2 = 5 is pretty much par for the course for " I've done my research "".

Firstshoes · 20/09/2022 09:01

Suedomin, I really don't know. Seems a very big coincidence though. Certainly puts me off having boosters. Do you know what triggered yours?

SudocremOnEverything · 20/09/2022 09:06

sunglassesonthetable · 20/09/2022 09:01

In the past and especially during Covid you would hear over and over again

" do your research"

" I've done my research "

"at least I've done my research"

Judging by this thread, stumbling across a bunch of stuff on the internet and then deciding 2 + 2 = 5 is pretty much par for the course for " I've done my research "".

Had a quick Google and picked the stuff on the first page that aligned with my existing views appears to be the working definition of ‘research’ in so many cases.

midgetastic · 20/09/2022 09:13

All vaccines can cause problems

The premise is that the problems are far less than the virus itself for example ( not checks current figures ) 1 in 10000 chance of dying from covid vs 1 in many millions from the vaccine

That premise remains unchallenged

Collation and analysis of reported issues is part of the process to check that assumption

I will have the booster

When doing research you must do a complete rounded study not cherry pick aspects which suit your prejudice

Sirius3030 · 20/09/2022 09:26

ByTheGrace · 20/09/2022 07:36

*It states that the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is 3 in 100,000, while the risk for myocarditis after COVID infection is 11 in 100,000.

So yes, there is a risk from vaccination, but a bigger one without vaccination. I suspect most of the papers say this or similar.*

I don't think you can directly compare statistics like that. Not everyone will catch covid every year. Your risk might be 3 in 100 000 from the vax, but you may not catch covid at all even if you don't have the vax.

Sure. I made the assumption for simplicity that anyone not getting the vaccine would get covid, which as you rightly say is not the case (although it might not have been far off a year ago). But if you are weighing up whether to get vaccinated, then I wouldn't let the 3 in 100,000 figure scare me, when the risks from covid (from this and other effects) are significantly higher.

Samarie123 · 20/09/2022 09:41

Firstshoes · 20/09/2022 08:38

I developed adult onset asthma following my first covid vaccinations which means I have to use daily strong steroid inhalers along with constant awful rhinitis/sinusitis...previously healthy with neither of these issues.

My son did too after the first one. He now has an allergy to certain fruit.

Firstshoes · 20/09/2022 09:46

Samarie123 · 20/09/2022 09:41

My son did too after the first one. He now has an allergy to certain fruit.

I am awaiting blood tests for allergy testing. I think back to before all this and didn't realise how good I had it! I'm having a particularly bad time with my sinuses at the moment. It's miserable. 💐 to your son. We will never know if it was the vaccine though, there is now way of proving/disproving this. I definitely won't be having any boosters though!

MrsSkylerWhite · 20/09/2022 09:47

Not a bit. Keep checking the website for our booster eligibility. How lucky are we in the UK to have the opportunity?

MrsSkylerWhite · 20/09/2022 09:50

JenJones5 · Yesterday 21:24
I know someone who, barely five months after their last booster, got appalling food poisoning.

Is anyone genuinely claiming that this is unrelated“

🤣🤣🤣

Samarie123 · 20/09/2022 09:58

Firstshoes · 20/09/2022 09:46

I am awaiting blood tests for allergy testing. I think back to before all this and didn't realise how good I had it! I'm having a particularly bad time with my sinuses at the moment. It's miserable. 💐 to your son. We will never know if it was the vaccine though, there is now way of proving/disproving this. I definitely won't be having any boosters though!

Thankyou. I hope things get better for you🌻