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Is it ok to ask about the ramping up of vaccine side effects stories?

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SparklingJam · 02/09/2022 10:52

I’m generally pro vaccines, but I’m starting to question the effects of the covid jab, and wonder if it’s possible to have a discussion about it. Apologies if this has been done to death, or isn’t an accepted topic.

I’ve been seeing more information about deaths of young men, how the vaccine isn’t very effective against covid, and hearing all about dreadful side effects, to the point where some people won’t have the jab because they “know” they’ll die.

I can fully accept that there are side effects, but the talk of increased deaths (apparently 1300 excess deaths per week, coupled with videos of supposed undertakers saying they are 50-100% busier now) is making me question things and worry.

Having said that, in my extended circle of friends, family and colleagues, I know many people who are mostly vaccinated, and apart from a day or 5 of feeling fluey they all have no side effects and haven’t died.
At the same time through the same extended group, I know a couple who have died of covid and several who still have long covid which has disabled them to varying degrees.

It would be logical to think that the excess deaths are a catch up to lock down and lack of hospital treatment, plus the current issues many have with seeing a gp or calling an ambulance, but I am assured by certain people that the excess deaths are solely due to the vaccine.

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peppathe3rd · 16/10/2022 14:24

@pinkred

I have seen none of your claims that are actually informed by robust evidence.

Which claims are you referring to?

pinkred · 16/10/2022 14:26

To be clear, I do not look at a post that says something negative about vaccines and immediately scream "racist/dangerous/unethical/uninformed/relying on social media, MUST IGNORE AND DENY AT ALL COSTS", which is what you seem to assume @peppathe3rd

I consider what is being said & reply based on the content and evidence presented, not on the specific viewpoint.

Claims about COVID-19 restrictions/vaccines being like slavery or the holocaust, or medical experimentation on vulnerable groups are deeply problematic and support racist ideology, as described above.

peppathe3rd · 16/10/2022 14:29

Claims about COVID-19 restrictions/vaccines being like slavery or the holocaust, or medical experimentation on vulnerable groups are deeply problematic and support racist ideology, as described above.

I absolutely NEVER suggested the above and take issue with your misrepresentation of my words.

peppathe3rd · 16/10/2022 14:31

@pinkred
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i forgot to include your name in my reply below

pinkred · 16/10/2022 14:33

peppathe3rd · 11/10/2022 16:43

This is troubling... I'm not drawing any conclusions. I just wonder if any of the scientists, or physicians on this thread have insight? Long covid, climate change?

www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-63097142

Well this for example?

It's the classic "oh so I'm not saying anything but I will just post it on a thread about vaccine side effects", coupled with suggesting long COVID or climate change may have been causing neonatal deaths, which I'm assuming was disengenous.

Plenty of experts have explained the amount of data we have demonstrating that it is safer for pregnant women to be vaccinated than not be vaccinated (both for mums and their babies), and that it would make no sense for a vaccine rolled out globally to cause neontal deaths only if you happen to live in a particular area of scotland.

pinkred · 16/10/2022 14:41

peppathe3rd · 16/10/2022 14:29

Claims about COVID-19 restrictions/vaccines being like slavery or the holocaust, or medical experimentation on vulnerable groups are deeply problematic and support racist ideology, as described above.

I absolutely NEVER suggested the above and take issue with your misrepresentation of my words.

The idea of medicine being used against people is almost too awful to contemplate, but we do know it has happened in the past. The egregore of "public health" has been known to lead to some very dark places.

www.britannica.com/event/Guatemala-syphilis-experiment

But you compared the current situation to the Guatemala syphilis experiment?

Presumably you were aware of who they were exploiting, and the fact it was linked to the Tuskegee syphilis experiment?

peppathe3rd · 16/10/2022 14:43

@pinkred
Thanks for that example. You are correct regarding the long covid, climate change quip. I thought I would disqualify those reasons before anyone cited them, as has been the case so many times on here. Someone replied that unless this phenomenon were documented worldwide, it would not point to a vaccination problem, since the vaccine has been rolled out globally. I acknowledged that point and thanked the person for it.

peppathe3rd · 16/10/2022 14:48

@pinkred

But you compared the current situation to the Guatemala syphilis experiment?

NO, for the third time at least!!! I used the syphilis example as a time when public health measures desperately failed its people in the context of the potential conflict of interest with the PR triumvirate we were discussing.

peppathe3rd · 16/10/2022 14:51

@pinkred
my explanation...(again)

I did not compare this vaccine rollout to the syphilis experiment. I used it as an example of how, in the past, medicine has been weaponised (to borrow @MeetPi's phrase). I am neither uninformed, nor trying to stir the pot. Several people found it baffling that anyone would have a problem with the current PR conflict of interest we are discussing - it was in this context that I wrote. I was attempting to take this vaccine rollout out of the equation and consider the moral consequences of a potential conflict of interest between the 3 entities in question. I remain unconvinced that this was an ethical decision by the CDC.

DoraSpenlow · 16/10/2022 15:26

'Fact checkers' LOL Do you mean the Gates funded factcheckers?

He was on Video saying it. I will find it.

@Samarie123

Have you managed to find the video of Albert Bourla saying he has not had the Covid vaccine?

I can only find one from December 2020 saying along the lines of he has not had it 'yet' because he didn't want to queue jump and would have it when recommended or his age group.

Do you have a link to a later one, please, post March 2021 saying he still hasn't had it as I don't seem to be able to locate.

TIA

Newusernameaug · 18/10/2022 18:06

Has anyone on here watched the Great Reset documentary?!

Samarie123 · 19/10/2022 16:03

DoraSpenlow · 16/10/2022 15:26

'Fact checkers' LOL Do you mean the Gates funded factcheckers?

He was on Video saying it. I will find it.

@Samarie123

Have you managed to find the video of Albert Bourla saying he has not had the Covid vaccine?

I can only find one from December 2020 saying along the lines of he has not had it 'yet' because he didn't want to queue jump and would have it when recommended or his age group.

Do you have a link to a later one, please, post March 2021 saying he still hasn't had it as I don't seem to be able to locate.

TIA

The one I saw was him saying he didn't have it and when asked why he said he didn't need it as he was healthy. I certainly do not go by fact checkers.

saltedcaramel1 · 19/10/2022 16:53

@Samarie123

You seem to be ignoring every poster pointing out that video was made when Bourla was not currently eligible to be vaccinated (i.e., he was too young) so had not had it, and once it was offered to his age group, he was vaccinated.

Wallaw · 19/10/2022 18:17

Newusernameaug · 18/10/2022 18:06

Has anyone on here watched the Great Reset documentary?!

Reuters has an excellent fact check on it

MissConductUS · 19/10/2022 19:08

saltedcaramel1 · 19/10/2022 16:53

@Samarie123

You seem to be ignoring every poster pointing out that video was made when Bourla was not currently eligible to be vaccinated (i.e., he was too young) so had not had it, and once it was offered to his age group, he was vaccinated.

It's confirmation bias in action.

Samarie123 · 20/10/2022 07:06

saltedcaramel1 · 19/10/2022 16:53

@Samarie123

You seem to be ignoring every poster pointing out that video was made when Bourla was not currently eligible to be vaccinated (i.e., he was too young) so had not had it, and once it was offered to his age group, he was vaccinated.

Then why didn't he say he was too YOUNG to have it? He said he didn't need it because he was healthy! what about all the other healthy people who were coerced in to it? Threatened with their jobs etc!

Newusernameaug · 20/10/2022 15:10

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Newusernameaug · 20/10/2022 15:13

I used the wrong name, it’s called the big reset movie on odysee, bizarrely when I tried to link to it, my post was immediately and automatically blocked by mumsnet which is both weird and scary - are they automatically censoring particular links - if so why??

you can see by the time of the previous post and time on the phone is blocked the post automatically….

Is it ok to ask about the ramping up of vaccine side effects stories?
peppathe3rd · 20/10/2022 15:22

@Newusernameaug
when i linked a bio of james smith, it was also deleted although the link was pfizer's own website.

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peppathe3rd · 20/10/2022 15:25

fact checkers..,

Is it ok to ask about the ramping up of vaccine side effects stories?