My daughter is booked in Wed for vaccine but now refusing

[clairclogg]

My daughter is booked in Wed for vaccine at GP , She's 14 and a county runner plus keen tennis player but since the Miami Opens this week she's refusing point blank .

Do i double down and remove games and Wi-Fi or let this go
Seriously any help would be appreciated

There are many more examples on the John Campbell misinformation thread which you've been linked to several times - so if you're genuinely interested I suggest you have a read of it

@KosherDill

She's a child; it's not her decision to make. I'd remove privileges until she cooperates.

It's not just about her, it's a public health matter.

Seriously?! You would do that? Oh yes... #TheGreaterGood....... and If that fucks your relationship with her?

Thank you so so much everyone ..

No Its her second jab this is why now .. Why the Gp its a long long story

I've attempted to find the food poison story , please could someone provide a source , i cant find nothing .

She can read that and stop this silliness .

[quote riveted1]@doublemonkey

Ok to repeat yet again for example in his case for ivermectin (for which there is no robust evidence for efficacy) he has falsely claimed;

• a doctor recommending ivermectin in Japan conciding with a drop in COVID cases is evidence for causality

-has quoted not one by three studies for ivermectin showing efficacy which were retracted by the journals due to falsified data -has claimed evidence for causality using high risk of bias observational studies

This are very very basic errors that someone with an undergraduate module in epidemiology would not make.[/quote]
If the three retracted studies had falsified data how did they get published in journals?? Makes you wonder...🙄

Anyways, I'm done with this convo and am off chill.

I'll leave you with John's video where he debunks the BBC's article debunking him.

If the three retracted studies had falsified data how did they get published in journals?? Makes you wonder...🙄

Not sure why you're acting as if this hasn't happened when it has been widely publicised @doublemonkey

You can find the three studies, the evidence that data was falsified, and the retraction notices online. John Campbell was aware of this yet used them as evidence for efficacy despite this.

Scientific fraud is certainly not something new - again feel free to do a websearch - but this is far more high profile due to the policy implications.

I find it bizzare you continue to link John Campbell despite being presented with evidence that he is a biased and unreliable source, you don't really seem to care about evidence, just pushing your agenda.

@clairclogg

Thank you so so much everyone ..

No Its her second jab this is why now .. Why the Gp its a long long story

I've attempted to find the food poison story , please could someone provide a source , i cant find nothing .

She can read that and stop this silliness .

Or just leave her with the decision she has already made?

Pushy parent.

@KosherDill

She's a child; it's not her decision to make. I'd remove privileges until she cooperates.

It's not just about her, it's a public health matter.

Bloody Hell.

@riveted1

If the three retracted studies had falsified data how did they get published in journals?? Makes you wonder...🙄

Not sure why you're acting as if this hasn't happened when it has been widely publicised @doublemonkey

You can find the three studies, the evidence that data was falsified, and the retraction notices online. John Campbell was aware of this yet used them as evidence for efficacy despite this.

Scientific fraud is certainly not something new - again feel free to do a websearch - but this is far more high profile due to the policy implications.

I find it bizzare you continue to link John Campbell despite being presented with evidence that he is a biased and unreliable source, you don't really seem to care about evidence, just pushing your agenda.

Ok, one more post.

Again, you have not provided or presented any evidence. You've stated evidence exists. That's heresay.

I asked how three studies which contained falsified data got published in journals. You have no answer for that.

..despite being presented with evidence that he is a biased and unreliable source ..Again, you've provided no evidence except to state that you've provided evidence.

Please don't @ me again. Cheers and have a good evening.

Or just leave her with the decision she has already made? Pushy parent.

@ChloeHel

Don't understand this at all. Your job as a parent is to help your teens make informed decisions, not ones based on faked claims, as described in the OP.

If my teen read up on coronavirus vaccines from NHS or other reliable guidance and decided it wasn't worth having I would say fair enough. If she refused based on anti-vax scaremongering from the Miami Open I would be discussing it with her.

Great chance for a bit of education re: biased sources and how to critically think tbh.

Also, you will find no articles regarding food poisoning as that is not what has happened.

So far each case reported has three different stories. One player had a virus, another player had blisters on his foot and another pulled out due to stress. Regardless of the reasons, vaccine or not your daughter doesn’t want it!!

Ok, one more post.Again, you have not provided or presented any evidence. You've stated evidence exists. That's heresay. I asked how three studies which contained falsified data got published in journals. You have no answer for that.

Please don't @ me again. Cheers and have a good evening.

Not really sure where you're going with this - I've explained that scientific fraud is common, I've explained what happened with these ivermectin studies. Just look at retraction watch if you want to see how many papers are retracted (not always due to fraud, often due to errors).

John Campbell quoted these papers despite knowing they had been retracted and the results did not exist. This is just one of the many examples of the kind of problems in his videos.

You can't tell someone not to @ you just because you're losing an argument I'm afraid @doublemonkey - I am heartily sick of the damage John Campbell does in terms of spreading misinformation & making money out of it so will reply when I see people quoting him.

"She's a child; it's not her decision to make. I'd remove privileges until she cooperates.
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It's not just about her, it's a public health matter*"

😳 Wow, please don't have children.

@Hope90x

Sensitive subject for many people, obviously, but you are CRAZY if you are even considering coercing your teenage daughter into this.

I can only imagine the uproar if you were considering coercing her into abortion etc.
Her body, her choice.

Also, the COVID risk to her age group is miniscule.

All of this. What a ridiculous overreaction on your part, OP. She is at minimal risk from Covid (probably has had it by now?) and is well within her rights to decline the jab without a hard time from her mum, of all people.

You realise it's not just the NHS recommending vaccination @Facebookshouldbecancelled, but health bodies globally? You think hundreds of thousands of people have been persuaded to take part in a global conspiracy?

Be aware that at 14, if she says to the vaccinator that she doesn't want it - they won't give it. And there is nothing you can do about that.

@LittleOwl153

Be aware that at 14, if she says to the vaccinator that she doesn't want it - they won't give it. And there is nothing you can do about that.

Yup, but they can go through vaccine disinformation with her, given she's turning it down based on nonsese claims from the Miami Open. Then she can actually make an informed decision.

@leafyygreens to a degree they can. But once she says no they cannot push it. And will not give it if they feel that OP is forcing the 14yr old against her will.

And to be fair a vaccination appointment even at the GP is going to be 5 minutes... they won't have alot of time to discuss and then go on to vaccinate.

I think it's fascinating how many parents and teens this debate has split - both ways around. Administering in secondary schools resulted in some interesting discussions!

Does she actually need it for travel? If not then I would absolutely leave it.

[quote LittleOwl153]@leafyygreens to a degree they can. But once she says no they cannot push it. And will not give it if they feel that OP is forcing the 14yr old against her will.

And to be fair a vaccination appointment even at the GP is going to be 5 minutes... they won't have alot of time to discuss and then go on to vaccinate.

I think it's fascinating how many parents and teens this debate has split - both ways around. Administering in secondary schools resulted in some interesting discussions![/quote]
Don't think you read my post @LittleOwl153

OP's daughter is turning it down based on misinformation (specifically, fake claims from the Miami Opens, propogated by anti-vaccine groups)

A HCP can provide her with evidence based information, allowing her to actually make an informed decision rather than being coerced out of it by nonsense. Of course if she's still not convinced it's worth having she can say no.

We saw exactly the same scaremongering with the HPV vaccine in teen girls and fake claims of it causing infertility.

Her body her choice! Is she likely to die from Covid19? Probably not.

OK so she's had the 1st jab already and wasn't sick after ? Right then, ask her to find evidence that young people are fine with the 1st then dramatically ill with the 2nd. Because from what I've read, for under 16 year olds, some do have bad reactions , but they have that to the 1st jab. Most people don't know they will react badly (although if you have some allergies already you are higher risk of a reaction), but find out on the 1st jab. Was she fine after that?

Otherwise I'd leave it unless she needs it for travel etc. Then you just need it done within 2 weeks of travel.

It’s entirely her choice. I would not remove any games or wifi for her.

Her body her choice.

@Svara

She's 14, her choice to decline it for now, she may change her mind later. I wouldn't coerce her, no.

Me neither. If she's a good athlete she might be worried it will affect her performance?

And on earth would removing games and wifi help? Ridiculous suggestion.