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My daughter is booked in Wed for vaccine but now refusing

118 replies

clairclogg · 03/04/2022 17:06

My daughter is booked in Wed for vaccine at GP , She's 14 and a county runner plus keen tennis player but since the Miami Opens this week she's refusing point blank .

Do i double down and remove games and Wi-Fi or let this go
Seriously any help would be appreciated

OP posts:
bellac11 · 03/04/2022 18:12

If this post is true, then you couldnt force her anyway because once she is at the centre they will ask whether she wants it and she would say no, my mum has taken my gadgets away because she wants me to have it and if I dont have it she wont give them back

PAFMO · 03/04/2022 18:13

Can't believe John Campbell the discredited nursing manager (or whatever his actual credentials are) is still being trotted out as some kind of expert.

Itsbackagain · 03/04/2022 18:13

She's 14, respect her choice.

doublemonkey · 03/04/2022 18:13

@stripeymadness

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4371621-Dr-John-Campbell-YouTube-videos-what-happened?pg=12

There is an entire thread dedicated to explaining why John Campbell is a biased and inaccurate source (with specific examples) @doublemonkey

I'm not sure why you insist on continuing to advertise him and generate yet more revenue for him

Can you post the main points here? I'm not reading a 13 page thread.

Thanks.

riveted1 · 03/04/2022 18:14

Not John Campbell again @doublemonkey. So many posters have engaged with you on this. You're actively helping someone make money out of misinformation - if you're not being paid to advertise him then tbh I'd feel a bit hard done by as he's making £££££!

Copied and pasted from the last JC thread.

Posters have repeatedly explained the issues, including specific examples of John Campbell making very basic errors, referencing retracted papers, makings statements that are incorrect, and saying things that are conspiracy theories.

Added to this is the fact that he is not an expert - he has no relevant training or experience that gives his disagreements legitimacy. This is probably part of the reason he makes mistakes.

There are many actual scientists including epidemiologists and virologists who you can follow for information. I'm not sure why you feel a retired nurse with a phd in teaching somehow has legitimacy over them.

doublemonkey · 03/04/2022 18:25

John Campbell has never claimed to be an expert. He takes data from reputable sources and breaks it down into simple to understand bites.

I've been watching him since the start of the pandemic when he had 30k subscribers and was a total believer in the mainstream narrative. If you watch any of his early videos that is plain for all to see. I used to find him extremely irritating because of that.

Somewhere along the line he got red pilled. That's not really surprising given the actual data.

He now has over 2 million subscribers and is probably making money from his channel. No need to be jealous. Start you own Youtube channel if you think it's so easy.

riveted1 · 03/04/2022 18:29

@doublemonkey

John Campbell has never claimed to be an expert. He takes data from reputable sources and breaks it down into simple to understand bites.

I've been watching him since the start of the pandemic when he had 30k subscribers and was a total believer in the mainstream narrative. If you watch any of his early videos that is plain for all to see. I used to find him extremely irritating because of that.

Somewhere along the line he got red pilled. That's not really surprising given the actual data.

He now has over 2 million subscribers and is probably making money from his channel. No need to be jealous. Start you own Youtube channel if you think it's so easy.

Weird thing to say @doublemonkey - you did ask posters from information

He makes mistakes and interpretations that are incorrect. He is not qualified hence why he makes such basic errors. I don't understand why you would ignore the plethora of genuine experts, and go with someone who has no relevant experience or expertise in this area.

This has nothing to do with jealousy - he's ruined his reputation in the scientific community. I'd be mortified if I made a mistake as a scientist - let alone deliberately spreading misinformation because it's an easy way to make money.

PAFMO · 03/04/2022 18:29

@doublemonkey

John Campbell has never claimed to be an expert. He takes data from reputable sources and breaks it down into simple to understand bites.

I've been watching him since the start of the pandemic when he had 30k subscribers and was a total believer in the mainstream narrative. If you watch any of his early videos that is plain for all to see. I used to find him extremely irritating because of that.

Somewhere along the line he got red pilled. That's not really surprising given the actual data.

He now has over 2 million subscribers and is probably making money from his channel. No need to be jealous. Start you own Youtube channel if you think it's so easy.

No. He started to spout drivel about Ivermectin and played straight into the anti-vax loon rhetoric. As you well know.
RandomThought96 · 03/04/2022 18:30

@doublemonkey

Dr John Campbell was an A&E nurse. He also worked as a nurse educator at the University of Cumbria. His doctorate was awarded for his work on developing teaching methods using digital media.

He has no expertise in virology or epidemiology and his videos are full of false and misleading information. I doubt that this is deliberate. He just lacks the intellectual horsepower that is needed in this field.

He is very good at digital teaching though and manages to get his mistaken messages across to a large audience.

LongSummers · 03/04/2022 18:32

She’s 14 and old enough to make a reasonable decision for herself and she DEFINITELY should not be punished for doing so.

CoastalWave · 03/04/2022 18:32

Your daughter sounds more intelligent and considered than you do.

Her body, her choice. Absolutely nothing to do with you. Shocked you think it could be ok to force her.

doublemonkey · 03/04/2022 18:34

[quote RandomThought96]@doublemonkey

Dr John Campbell was an A&E nurse. He also worked as a nurse educator at the University of Cumbria. His doctorate was awarded for his work on developing teaching methods using digital media.

He has no expertise in virology or epidemiology and his videos are full of false and misleading information. I doubt that this is deliberate. He just lacks the intellectual horsepower that is needed in this field.

He is very good at digital teaching though and manages to get his mistaken messages across to a large audience.[/quote]
He doesn't have to have expertise in virology or epidemiology. He's not conducting research himself. He's taking data from already published studies and statistics and highlighting the salient points.

It's not rocket science.

riveted1 · 03/04/2022 18:36

No @doublemonkey he is not

He is quoting studies that are retracted, information from conference abstracts that are unverified, and takes well conducted studies and making leaps of logic

I'd be incredibly pissed off if he reported one of my papers (unlikely based on my area of epi) given how much he gets wrong

Tribyki · 03/04/2022 18:36

I am appalled that anyone thinks they are being reasonable even asking how they can blackmail their 14 year old into a medical procedure. She is clearly old enough and intellectual enough to decide for herself.

Absolutely appalled. Poor child and good for her for standing up to you. I hope she reads this thread and sees that most people think you are utterly unreasonable.

LadyLolaRuben · 03/04/2022 18:38

No means no! This should be a lesson for her in consent not punishment.

Best to give her all the info to make up her mind and advise she's free to change it at any time. A clinician won't force a vaccine on a young person that is refusing to have it.

How will you feel if your daughter has a bad reaction to the vaccine and she felt forced by you?

riveted1 · 03/04/2022 18:40

A clinician won't force a vaccine on a young person that is refusing to have it.

No of course not - but they can take the time to explain her decision shouldn't be weighted by misinformation (i.e., fake claims from the Miami Open, as explained in the OP)

Qwill · 03/04/2022 18:41

Erm, it was a long time ago, but I thought I had the BCG around that age? Not having it wasn’t really an option as far as I can remember.

Surely vaccinations are just a ritual? I just gave my last baby their three rounds of them.

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riveted1 · 03/04/2022 18:43

@doublemonkey Hmm

I've provided many examples of specific things John Campbell has said which are incorrect or that are misleading on the thread you've been linked to, as have many other posters.

Haven't heard anyone over the age of 18 use the term salty though!

tsmainsqueeze · 03/04/2022 18:48

She has as much right to refuse the vaccine as you did , had you have chosen to refuse it also.

doublemonkey · 03/04/2022 18:49

[quote riveted1]@doublemonkey Hmm

I've provided many examples of specific things John Campbell has said which are incorrect or that are misleading on the thread you've been linked to, as have many other posters.

Haven't heard anyone over the age of 18 use the term salty though![/quote]
You've provided no specific examples whatsoever but you've made a lot of generalized statements alluding to statments others have made. Is that how you do your research?

You should watch a few of his videos. You might learn how to present a case.

Vintagevixen · 03/04/2022 18:49

At 14 she is old enough to make her decision - cant believe you are thinking of punishing her for this!

My 14 year old DD just had Covid, isn't vaccinated and it was a mere sniffle for her. Risks are so so low at that age.

riveted1 · 03/04/2022 18:52

@doublemonkey

Ok to repeat yet again for example in his case for ivermectin (for which there is no robust evidence for efficacy) he has falsely claimed;

  • a doctor recommending ivermectin in Japan conciding with a drop in COVID cases is evidence for causality
-has quoted not one by three studies for ivermectin showing efficacy which were retracted by the journals due to falsified data -has claimed evidence for causality using high risk of bias observational studies

This are very very basic errors that someone with an undergraduate module in epidemiology would not make.

riveted1 · 03/04/2022 18:54

I just do not understand why you would eskew videos from qualified epidemioloigsts and virologists - who have decades of experience and expertise in relevant research - to push misinformation from someone with a phd in education who continually make mistakes @doublemonkey

KosherDill · 03/04/2022 18:55

She's a child; it's not her decision to make. I'd remove privileges until she cooperates.

It's not just about her, it's a public health matter.