Why am I so ill despite being fully vaccinated

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I have tested positive for Covid and I have never felt so ill. I do not have any underlying health conditions, so why do I feel so unwell if I have had all my vaccines?

How old are you, WouldYouIfYouCould?

@MrsSkylerWhite almost 50. Why do you ask?

[quote leafyygreens]For anyone interested: copied from the latest surveillance report

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1065279/vaccine-surveillance-report-week-13.pdf[/quote]
What is interesting from that is how effectiveness of the vaccines doesn’t last long. So someone who has had the booster will only have some protection (65% ) on average for up to 25 weeks .
Nothing like the levels we were told initially.
I have not been boosted and my initial two vaccines look like they are now utterly useless. I didn’t want them in the first place and wish I’d never had them now.
Are people really going to commit to two boosters a year at least for life?

VAED (vaccine associated enhanced disease) was always a possibility with this vaccine rollout, identified as a risk by Pfizer themselves.

Essentially that vaccines can make you get more Ill from the disease. Anecdotally, it’s certainly not off the cards as a reason why vaccinated people seem to be getting it over and over again, and with very bad symptoms.

Photo from Pfizer’s own report from Feb 21

Covid seems so random to me. I had 2 jabs but ended up in hospital last summer for 11 days on a CPAP machine. I was seriously ill (no other health conditions) and now I'm struggling with long covid, I'm still having tests and seeing the consultant in the long covid clinic. I've since had my booster. I'm sorry you're not feeling well, sadly some people react much worse than others.

@hamstersarse

VAED (vaccine associated enhanced disease) was always a possibility with this vaccine rollout, identified as a risk by Pfizer themselves.

Essentially that vaccines can make you get more Ill from the disease. Anecdotally, it’s certainly not off the cards as a reason why vaccinated people seem to be getting it over and over again, and with very bad symptoms.

Photo from Pfizer’s own report from Feb 21

We have replicated data of huge sample sizes that demonstrates better outcomes after vaccination, including reduced risk of infection, re-infection, long term complications, hospitilisation and mortality. People are not getting more ill after vaccination, despite what you want to believe.

This seems in line with your posting history @hamstersarse - in your posts that haven't been deleted for misinformation & scaremongering, you share a lot of nonsense about the vaccines, and have done since the roll out. Don't get vaccinated if you don't want to, doesn't mean you need to try and scare others off.

No idea what you've shared as it's a blurry out of focus screenshot of a single page - if you actually want to share information do so with the link to the full document so it can actually be read in context.

It's not random, it's just there are so many different variables - different mutations of the disease, how often and how long you are exposed to others who may or may not be highly infectious, your own immune history (we all know those who picked up every bug going round, and those who hardly ever did,) and so on and so on... but mostly we're going off a simple LFT test, without all the other details being analysed,so it looks random.

@leafyygreens

Appreciating the calls for shutting down conversation, as always.

The picture was of page 11 of this report phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf from Pfizer where they identified an 'important potential risk' of VAED back in Feb 2021.

Take it up with Pfizer not me.

WouldYouIfYouCould

@MrsSkylerWhite almost 50. Why do you ask?“

Just interested. Age commonly seems to be a big factor in how unwell people are. There’s always a bell curve, of course.

My husband is mid 60s, CEV. Recently had Covid and it was mild. Without his three jabs, though, he would likely have been hospitalised.

[quote hamstersarse]@leafyygreens

Appreciating the calls for shutting down conversation, as always.

The picture was of page 11 of this report phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf from Pfizer where they identified an 'important potential risk' of VAED back in Feb 2021.

Take it up with Pfizer not me.[/quote]
Not really sure how asking for more infromation equates to "shutting down conversation".

You've linked this report many times before. As posters have repeatedly told you, it states:

In this review of subjects with COVID-19 following vaccination, based on the current evidence, VAED/VAERD remains a theoretical risk for the vaccine. - a statement made in February 2021.

We are now in April 2022, this surveillance period has be conducted and futher reporting published. Absolutely no evidence for this theoretical concern has been found, as you well know.

Yet you choose to post on a theoretical concern posed over a year ago whilst ignoring all the updated evidence showing safety.

As I said, we now have have replicated data of huge sample sizes that demonstrates better outcomes after vaccination, including reduced risk of infection, re-infection, long term complications, hospitilisation and mortality. People are not getting more ill after vaccination, despite what you want to believe.

@leafyygreens

I am very sure you could not give me data that shows categorically the reduced risk of infection and re-infection, because as you probably know, the data shows the opposite- that vaccinated people proportionately are getting more infections.

Also, the death statistics are very muddy now because of the waning of the vaccines.

[quote hamstersarse]@leafyygreens

I am very sure you could not give me data that shows categorically the reduced risk of infection and re-infection, because as you probably know, the data shows the opposite- that vaccinated people proportionately are getting more infections.

Also, the death statistics are very muddy now because of the waning of the vaccines.[/quote]
So, ignoring everything I said because you have no answer, and just swerving onto another moot point. The vaccines do not lead to individuals becoming more sick with COVID.

To answer the query you've swerved onto, I have linked many sources showing reduced risk of reinfection, feel free to do a search.

Here's one of them: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm#:~:text=The%20findings%20from%20this%20study,higher%20likelihood%20of%20being%20reinfected.

The mind boggles at the amount of energy you invest in spreading misinformation about vaccination @hamstersarse

If there was evidence showing vaccination was not justified because they were not effective, or even that they were associated with adverse outcomes, my opinions would change in line with this information and I would say so.

But you have been making these claims, about all sorts of aspects of the vaccination campaign, for over a year now so these kinds of posts are unsuprising.

@leafyygreens

The mind boggles at the amount of energy you invest in spreading misinformation about vaccination *@hamstersarse*

If there was evidence showing vaccination was not justified because they were not effective, or even that they were associated with adverse outcomes, my opinions would change in line with this information and I would say so.

But you have been making these claims, about all sorts of aspects of the vaccination campaign, for over a year now so these kinds of posts are unsuprising.

VAED / ADE specifically - that should say

[quote ManonCrochan]**@clarkkentsglasses* 'So how come I am unvaccinated and had no symptoms. Yet my friend who is 5x jabbed is sick as a dog with it twice?'*

Eh? 5x jabbed? Where did you get that from?

As far as I am aware: To be fully vaccinated, you had 2 jabs and then a booster (just before Xmas) so 3 jabs.

It's only very recently that the most vulnerable and elderly have been offered their next, spring booster. So that's 4 jabs.

Can you point me in the direction of information regarding 5 jabs?

If your friend has had 4 jabs then they are extremely vulnerable and/or elderly and it's not surprising they've been sick as a dog.[/quote]
The UK has approved a fifth Covid-19 vaccine, developed by US company Novavax. The vaccine offers up to 89% protection against Covid illness.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60248370

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@clarkkentsglasses if your friend has 5 jabs then she is obviously vulnerable in other ways and even a cold is more dangerous for vulnerable people or those with underlying conditions

@leafyygreens

The mind boggles at the amount of energy you invest in spreading misinformation about vaccination *@hamstersarse*

If there was evidence showing vaccination was not justified because they were not effective, or even that they were associated with adverse outcomes, my opinions would change in line with this information and I would say so.

But you have been making these claims, about all sorts of aspects of the vaccination campaign, for over a year now so these kinds of posts are unsuprising.

Ditto. My mind boggles at the amount of energy you use on evangelising for the vaccines

I’d love to hear of the misinformation I’ve been pouring onto the chats

Myocarditis risks?
Possibility Of VAED?
Healthy children don’t need it?

I’d imagine you’d class discussions about these things as misinformation

@hamstersarse

Your reply is just another swerve - everytime someone replies to you you ignore it and move onto something else.

Misinfromation is claiming things are true which are not evidence based.

Regarding the things you've randomly listed. The theoretical concern of VAED has been proven not to be a concern. Myocarditis is an established side effect of vaccination, and of infection. The risk/benefit profile demonstrates it makes sense to offer children vaccination, doesn't mean everyone needs to take up this offer (as the CMOs have stated).

In literally all my posts I say everyone should be able to decide for themselves, it's no ones business what someone chooses to do - but that's an entirely different thing to pointing out you continually post nonsense about vaccination.

the amount of energy you use on evangelising for the vaccines

Please link to any of my posts when I've done anything of the sort @hamstersarse - pointing out you post nonsense does not equate to evangelising.

So, @hamstersarse , how do you account for the reduction in hospitalisations for covid (as opposed to with) and deaths post vaccination programme?

How to you account for the typical patient being over 50, overweight and unvaccinated?

I have had covid very badly, after four vaccinations. Maybe the vaccinations, as in your opinion, attracted covid, but more likely is that I’d have been lounging in hospital with no vaccination at all. Family members all shook it off in a few days, but as cev I was bound to be “got” worse than many others.

I’d love to hear of the misinformation I’ve been pouring onto the chats

Well - mostly deleted by MNHQ - but the continual scaremongering about it being harmful for pregnant women, misinformation about the impact on foetal development, and claims it causes miscarriage was particularly problematic.

Oh and of course those claims about vaccines causing 2000+ deaths in the UK alone @hamstersarse

@hamstersarse

VAED (vaccine associated enhanced disease) was always a possibility with this vaccine rollout, identified as a risk by Pfizer themselves.

Essentially that vaccines can make you get more Ill from the disease. Anecdotally, it’s certainly not off the cards as a reason why vaccinated people seem to be getting it over and over again, and with very bad symptoms.

Photo from Pfizer’s own report from Feb 21

Everyone I know who's had it has been triple jabbed, none in hospital but several been pretty bad with it, so I can see why the jabs could be making it worse.

I’ve said none of those things @leafyygreens

I will have said there was no long term safety data for pregnant women (there wasn’t)

And that there are over 2000 deaths on the yellow card scheme with no explanation (there were /are)

I known you like to defend the vaccines at all costs but it just makes a mockery to the purpose of a chat board to misrepresent what people say

@hamstersarse

I’ve said none of those things *@leafyygreens*

I will have said there was no long term safety data for pregnant women (there wasn’t)

And that there are over 2000 deaths on the yellow card scheme with no explanation (there were /are)

I known you like to defend the vaccines at all costs but it just makes a mockery to the purpose of a chat board to misrepresent what people say

@hamstersarse - you asked me to provide examples of the misinformation you post. Those are genuine examples of things you have said.

The latest - that vaccination makes people sicker with COVID - was what I was originally replying to. But I thought it made sense to put the post in context with the other kinds of posts you have made since vaccine rollout.

I known you like to defend the vaccines at all cost

Again - I'm asking you to provide any kind of evidence for this? I've posted extensively on side effects, including menstrual, I've always said it should be everyone's decision whether they take up the offer of vaccination, and that I am anti mandates.

What I have always maintained, is that posting anti-vaccine nonsense helps no-one make an informed choice, and that specifically targetting pregnant women on a parenting forum is deeply unpleasant.