Why am I so ill despite being fully vaccinated

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I have tested positive for Covid and I have never felt so ill. I do not have any underlying health conditions, so why do I feel so unwell if I have had all my vaccines?

Saw a client last week who ended up in hospital in the autumn despite being triple jabbed fit and healthy. There were 10 in ward with it he said 2 died - the unvaccinated two. Quite a roulette wheel to play there.

I was very ill with covid recently and still feel run down and with a cough that won’t go away 3 weeks later.
I had a cough and cold in December 2016. I then had chest infections and a lingering cough until March 2017. Obviously not covid, that just happens with coughs sometimes.

I'm afraid that the reason why some viruses become less virulent doesn't really apply to covid. A virus which makes people lie in bed during the entire time they're infectious isn't going to spread as far as one where people wee enough to move around while infectious. But with covid people are generally most infectious before they feel ill, so more severe illness doesn't reduce transmission. I really hope we don't get a worse variant but it remains very possible.

Everyone I know who has had it recently had nothing more than mild cold symptoms. All fully jabbed. Two years ago before vaccinations I knew people who became very ill and were hospitalised. I was hospitalised with flu when in my early 30s despite being fit and healthy.

It's not pleasant but it's now an illness that needs to be managed like a cold or other virus.

I'm on day 11,had both primary doses and booster and still suffering from nausea/vomiting, sore throat,cough and fatigue. I tested negative on day 5. I had been shielding as classified as CEV and went back to work last year, ended up catching it from DD who brought it back from her residential 😒
DD had it and she was unwell for 2 days (unvaccinated).

@AnastasiaRomanov it was not a stupid comment at all. Her family all tested positive and they went to the gym, shops and restaurant regardless.

I think exercising a small amount of personal responsibility is still a reasonable request

I missed that bit. Sorry. It’s obviously extremely selfish to go out and infect others knowingly.

I'm four times vaccinated, I've had four previous infections, but when I had it recently I was so, so ill. In fact I only tested negative for the first time in three weeks yesterday (but I was ill for a full week before I tested positive).

So this is the fourth time you've had Covid?

@AnastasiaRomanov

So this is the fourth time you've had Covid?

No, my last infection was the fifth time (all but one confirmed, the first one was spring 2020).

I am immunosuppressed though.

God, that's awful.

I'm afraid it's pot luck - for many of us the vaccines reduce the symptoms a lot. I was able to continue to cycle 6-8 miles a day to take my daughter to school (while wearing a mask of course) throughout the time I had Covid - I was obviously lucky. Another friend the same age as me, also up to date with her vaccinations, is currently feeling terribly terribly poorly.

The very good thing is that on a macro level, you can see that the hospitalisation rates are reduced enormously compared to before we had access to the vaccines.

So, although it can still feel terrible, it is reassuring to know we are definitely statistically less likely to end up in hospital!

I do really feel for you though - officially everyone who isn't hospitalised has "mild" Covid, but evidently what is considered "mild" can be pretty grim! Hope you feel better soon xx

In bed with covid now triple jabbed and feel awful. Not even sure when I will feel better enough to get out of bed. I have been like this for 4 days and am fairly healthy eg run a few times a week not overweight or smoke. Ds had it about 6 weeks ago and had a few off days and I didn’t catch it then. I am wondering if my booster from early December is beginning to wain. I think people saying it’s mild is just that it’s not hospitalisation dangerous. Most people who I know who have had it have been bed ridden for at least a few days and all were vaxed. Mild is relative but it’s knocking so many people out st the moment I'm worried about next winter

Fit and healthy client got it and had to be hospitalised. On his ward of 10 2 died - the unvaccinated two.

Sympathy with all Ill just g he ad it and it took me right down. 3 weeks on still not got my energy back but am functioning. Really nasty germ.

People are getting it very soon after boosters too. Which suggests boosters are not doing any good.

@AnastasiaRomanov

People are getting it very soon after boosters too. Which suggests boosters are not doing any good.

unless you've actually got the infection rates of large groups of comparable boosted and unboosted individuals, this claim is pretty meaningless

anecdotes =/= reality

@AnastasiaRomanov "The vaccines seem to be doing nothing to stop transmissibility."

They don't stop it. They do reduce it.

E.g., www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/01/covid-vaccine-markedly-cuts-household-transmission-studies-show, www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y.

"What a stupid statement."

Yep.

I had covid in September gone and I was really unwell for four weeks. At that point I had both vaccines. I distinctly remember thinking how glad I was to have been vaccinated because I felt so awful and imagined if I didn't already have some protection I could easily succumb to it. Most people i know who have had it described their experience as a mild cold. How i wish this was the case for me! I dread getting it again!!! Hope you feel better soon. Xx

@MrsSkylerWhite "That’s historically how viruses develop. They evolve to survive: ergo they really don’t want to kill their hosts."

No, that's not how viruses develop.

The detailed version is www.nature.com/articles/s41579-022-00722-z in which Aris Katzourakis, Prof. of Evolution and Genomics, writes:

"The notion that viruses will evolve to be less virulent to spare their hosts is one of the most persistent myths surrounding pathogen evolution. Unlike viral immune escape and transmissibility, which are under strong evolutionary pressure, virulence is typically a by-product, fashioned by complex interactions between factors in both the host and the pathogen. Viruses evolve to maximize their transmissibility and sometimes this may correlate with higher virulence, for example, if high viral loads promote transmission but also increase severity. If so, pathogens may evolve towards higher virulence. If severity manifests late in infection, only after the typical transmission window, as in SARS-CoV-2, but also influenza virus, HIV, hepatitis C virus and many others, it plays a limited role in viral fitness and may not be selected against. Forecasting virulence evolution is a complex task, and the lower severity of Omicron is hardly a good predictor for future variants. The prospect of future VOCs featuring the potentially disastrous combination of the ability to reinfect due to immune escape along with high virulence is unfortunately very real."

Prof. Christina Pagel very effectively summarises the article in twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1503435178722611208

@CloseYourEyesAndSee

Because vaccines don't stop you feeling ill, they reduce the severity of the infection? If you weren't vaccinated you might be on a ventilator 🤷🏼‍♀️

Or you may not be 🤷

Everyone I know who has been vaccinated has felt really ill. The people who haven’t have been symptomless or had a mild cold, I’m beginning to wonder over the point of vaccines tbh

It is a lottery, but being vaccinated buys you more of the staying-out-of-hospital tickets.

Hope you feel very much better soon.

@MsTSwift

Saw a client last week who ended up in hospital in the autumn despite being triple jabbed fit and healthy. There were 10 in ward with it he said 2 died - the unvaccinated two. Quite a roulette wheel to play there.

Just wondering how they could have been triple jabbed in the autumn when the booster (3rd jab) wasn’t out until around Xmas time?

Are you sure you're as ill as you say?
When I've had the flu (twice in my life) I literally wouldn't have been able to type your message.