Why am I so ill despite being fully vaccinated

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I have tested positive for Covid and I have never felt so ill. I do not have any underlying health conditions, so why do I feel so unwell if I have had all my vaccines?

@CassandraKnew

Nope, the data isn't shocking and one is "in for a big shock"

I'm suprised it still needs being said, but those numbers are exactly what you would expect when the majority of the population is vaccinated, particularly when rates are much higher in at risk groups and lower in low-risk groups.

If 100% of the population were vaccinated, all deaths & hospitilisations would be in vaccinated people. Doesn't mean that vaccines aren't effective or are causing people to become sicker

Why are you saying that? Have you looked at the data? Table 14, think not in the latest report but in a previous one has data per 100k vaccinated and unvaccinated not a total percentage of vaccinated.

@Hiheyho

Why are you saying that? Have you looked at the data? Table 14, think not in the latest report but in a previous one has data per 100k vaccinated and unvaccinated not a total percentage of vaccinated.

If the PP doesn't direct me to a specific table (ideally with a link), then I'm only going to comment broadly.

Re the unadjusted rates of COVID-19 infection, hospitalisation and death in vaccinated and unvaccinated populations - this again has been explained quite thoroughly, and is also included in the report alongside the data. This is just another case of people cherry picking numbers to suit an agenda.

Comparing case rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated populations should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness against COVID-19 infection. Vaccine effectiveness has been formally
estimated from a number of different sources and is summarised on pages 4 to 14 in this report.

The rates are calculated per 100,000 in people who have received either 3 doses of a COVID-19 vaccine or in people who have not received a COVID-19 vaccine. These figures are updated each week as
the number of unvaccinated individuals and individuals vaccinated with 3 doses in the population changes.
The case rates in the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations are unadjusted crude rates that do not take into account underlying statistical biases in the data and there are likely to be systematic
differences between these 2 population groups. For example:
• testing behaviour is likely to be different between people with different vaccination status, resulting in differences in the chances of being identified as a case
• many of those who were at the head of the queue for vaccination are those at higher risk from COVID-19 due to their age, their occupation, their family circumstances or because of underlying health
issues
• people who are fully vaccinated and people who are unvaccinated may behave differently, particularly with regard to social interactions and therefore may have differing levels of exposure to COVID-19
• people who have never been vaccinated are more likely to have caught COVID-19 in the weeks or months before the period of the cases covered in the report. This gives them some natural immunity to
the virus which may have contributed to a lower case rate in the past few weeks

For anyone interested: copied from the latest surveillance report

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1065279/vaccine-surveillance-report-week-13.pdf

@CloseYourEyesAndSee My husband and I have it (end of it now) Both unvaccinated through choice. I was rough for two days and ok apart from being tired. Husband on day 12 , no smell or taste but absolutely fine in himself. Was rough for a few days like you would with a cold. The vaccines make no difference. My son one vaccine had two days in bed. My friend 3 vaccines two days in bed, my daughter 3 vaccines just a bit snotty. It really is a lottery!!

How do you explain the hospital wards where the only people dying are unvaccinated then? Because that’s what I’m hearing from the medics I know.

I just don't believe the data since the vast majority of people don't know which variant they have had, and neither does the Govt.
Many people have Covid without knowing it, or without reporting it. The data are not accurate.
The drop in hospital admissions may be due to all sorts of things, including vaccines. Not vaccines alone.
I know unvaccinated people who have sailed through Covid, others who have been very ill. Just like the vaccinated.
No one really knows how long vaccines give protection for , if they do, or which variants they are really effective against.
I don't want boosters twice a year for life .

[quote Guineapigssweak]@CloseYourEyesAndSee My husband and I have it (end of it now) Both unvaccinated through choice. I was rough for two days and ok apart from being tired. Husband on day 12 , no smell or taste but absolutely fine in himself. Was rough for a few days like you would with a cold. The vaccines make no difference. My son one vaccine had two days in bed. My friend 3 vaccines two days in bed, my daughter 3 vaccines just a bit snotty. It really is a lottery!![/quote]
But yes as has been posted repeatedly @Guineapigssweak's statements The vaccines make no difference and it really is a lottery are entirely untrue and not based in any kind of evidence.

Anecdotes do not trump actual data in large samples folks.

Such a miserabilist post there Unvarnished Truth.
I've had two people close to me with serious brain injuries and even their recoveries over a long period of time have been surprisingly good.

@MsTSwift

How do you explain the hospital wards where the only people dying are unvaccinated then? Because that’s what I’m hearing from the medics I know.

This. My friends who are hospital doctors, one particularly who consults in ICU type wards, has said the only people who are critically ill FROM covid are unvaccinated. There are other people who have covid AND another acute illness on ICU who would be very poorly with or without covid, but the only people on death's door because of covid aren't vaccinated.

Throwing around shit about stopped brain functions is dangerous. I've reported that post because it really can't be allowed.

So how come I am unvaccinated and had no symptoms. Yet my friend who is 5x jabbed is sick as a dog with it twice?

5 times? There are very very few people who will have had 5 covid vaccines. Some have had 4, myself included. But those who will be eligible for a 3rd booster haven't generally yet be called up for it. So your friend must be in an extremely tiny group.

For your friend to have had so many covid vaccines already they must be in a very small extremely vulnerable group and in that group the person's immune system is likely to be weak, meaning they are far less likely to have the same level of antibodies/immunity from the vaccines as the average person. Some people in this group have minimal or no antibodies from the vaccines.

A person in that very small extremely vulnerable group is much more likely to become more seriously ill from the covid vaccine than your average person.

Just wondering how they could have been triple jabbed in the autumn when the booster (3rd jab) wasn’t out until around Xmas time?

I had my third vaccine in October. I'm CV.
Dh, who is not CV, also had his third vaccine at the same time as me.

Lots of people, including none CV people, had their third vaccine in the Autumn.

@RonaLisa

I am triple vaccinated as a member of my family has cancer. I have got Covid and it has been horrendous. I am quite sure I'd have had a less bad dose, had I not had the blasted vaccinations.

I really don't think so! If you look at the data on hospitalisations, anyway, you are definitely less likely to be hospitalised if you are fully vaccinated.

My own anecdata is that I am also triple vaccinated, and just had Covid incredibly mildly - I was still cycling 8 miles a day!

Because the efficacy of the vaccine drops over time.

How ill you get really comes down to how each individual's body reacts. How much benefit the vaccine has comes down to how long ago you had it.

Theoretically you could be recently jabbed yet still become very ill / die or you maybe perfectly fine equally you could be unvaccinated and become seriously ill / die or be perfectly fine.

But what is clear is that the vaccine does reduce the overall probability of becoming seriously / dying but that it's protection declines over time.

@TimandGinger

I’ve had no vaccines, no covid. Meanwhile all my team at work have it after three jabs. I’m laughing my head off as my work (healthcare) was desperate to sack me for not getting it.

Good luck all. :-)

I'm so sorry you were faced with the sack. What a horrible position to be in and care and NHS workers who wanted to opt out of the vaccine have my full support.

I hope all your colleagues sail through it smoothly. Hopefully you were only laughing at the ludicrous decisions that have been made by the powers that be. As we've seen here, there are just no guarantees. Having had it, it will be a big boost to their immunity and then hopefully they'll be less likely to catch it and pass it on to patients once recovered.

I had it over Christmas. I've recently been in so many indoor, busy places, including sold out gigs and with a 1 in 15 statistic will have had plenty of exposure. Hopefully each one is a little prompt to my immune system. I've so far have so far not had a repeat of the Christmas sniffles so so far so good.

@MsTSwift

Well say what you like but me and my two fit healthy weight friends and a very fit client of mine were knocked for six in bed for two weeks and in one case hospitalised and several beer drinking rather overweight less active friends threw it off in a day or so!

We're only starting to learn about how immunity works, which includes gut health in the mix. I think there probably is a big difference between what is fit and what is health. Stress is a massive one, nutrient levels, hormones , assimilation, inflammatory responses and so on all weigh in. It's fascinating. I get monthly migraines and have perimenopausal symptoms, so wouldn't say I'm the healthiest, despite eating a very reasonable diet, keeping my weight low and being quite fit. I've probably tipped my chances in the right direction for getting covid, but there's still something out of whack that I'm not quite at the bottom of to be still having migraines.

I am on my third time of having covid. The other times were before vaccines. I am less ill this time- although was dreadful for the first day or so.

It is a lottery overall. I suspect I would have had covid before Christmas as well if I was unvaccinated. My children had it then, so I can only assume the vaccines protected me then.

I am one of those suffering with "mild" Covid. Severe fatigue, joint aches, tinnitus, deafness, brain fog, stomach upset etc. two weeks in and counting. I had glandular fever badly when a teenager and I can say it is eerily similar to what I felt for months if not years afterwards. So I was interested to see this article on the links between Epstein Barr Virus (the virus that causes infectious mononucleosis / glandular fever) reactivation and long Covid. Hopefully this is not
not long Covid for me or for you fellow sufferers but worth being aware of if you have had glandular fever and perhaps take extra care. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8233978/

Your comment is interesting... From about October to catching covid over Christmas I felt like i had glandular fever (which I had as a teen).
On clearing the covid infection I felt so much better than before - no glandular fever symptoms!
Off to read the article now to see what the link is

Im probably 3w into covid and yes my tinnitus flared up yesterday and achy chest

I am unvaxxed and had covid twice. First time was two years ago and I was really quite unwell and struggling to breathe. I didn’t seek any medical assistance because at the time we were being told not to go to hospital unless pretty my dying. I recovered eventually with altered sense of taste/smell and quite severe fatigue dragging on for many weeks. Second time was a fortnight ago. Symptoms were totally different and had I not tested positive I would have thought I had tonsilitis. Very sore throat and some aches and pains but not much else to note.
I have two triple vaxxed friends who caught covid a couple of weeks before I did (both having had covid prior to being vaccinated) and both ended up in A&E with heart issues and breathing problems.
Anecdotal, but the only people I know to have been hospitalised recently with covid are at least triple vaxxed.