On course for another lockdown?

[TalkToTheHand123]

Covis cases on a rapid rise, heading towards 100,000 daily cases. Are we heading for another lockdown?

No, thanks.

@bottleoffanta Thank you for your kindness and understanding. Best wishes to you and your grandma. x

No

No, we can’t lockdown again and have to live with virus. What should be happening is that people are expected to stay at home if they are testing positive but they won’t unless they are paid to do so.

I’m CV and I’m getting faces while wearing a mask, using hand sanitiser and insisting on windows being kept open. I refuse to go anywhere crowded and keep my distance from others but I’m determined to try to avoid catching it if I possibly can. It’s sad that I will have to continue to restrict my life so much, but I’d rather be thought of as a bit odd than end up in hospital or become even more disabled.

Never say never but I doubt it.

From this point on I think the only thing that would trigger lockdown is people dropping dead in the streets in their hundreds or possibly thousands.

@rhizobium just preempting the usual on here who don’t like to acknowledge or talk about natural immunity.

That’s clearly what the government are going for now. And yes you can be triple vaccinated and still catch it a few times. Everyone’s immune systems are different but as a population this is not a novel virus any more and we are building some immunity.

Catching omicron (after having vaccinations) seems to give good immunity but there will be people still vulnerable to the new strain. Omicron provides good immunity to delta but not the other way round. So you have unlock people who get delta then omicron a month later. Doesn’t mean they are not building some immunity though.

We have the most cases we have ever had i think and the government is removing restrictions. That tells you everything you need to know about their strategy and no there won’t be a middle ground. Not if that involves any ‘restrictions’ on people’s lives..

Not for Covid, no.

But I’d put money on there being another lockdown within my lifetime, as a consequence of a(nother) ‘lab leak’-origin pandemic, or a deliberate-yet-plausibly-deniable release as an act of economic sabotage.

[quote kittensinthekitchen]@TypicaIMe

Just noticing you say it was vile for someone to say they felt some were happy to allow people to die, whilst not appearing to have an issue with similarly vile comments being made about people who aren't strictly anti-lockdown or anti-mitigation.

Of course, it was just an observation, and on reflection I'm sure you actually do have an issue with these types of comments being made.[/quote]
I absolutely do. I think it's all ridiculous.

I do think that suggesting people are happy to watch others die is beyond the pale though. Calling people lockdown lovers or whatever is juvenile and silly, but it's not on the same level.

It's all nuts. All of it.

It's time to move on, but with proper support given to those who need it (including those too unwell to work who are being told they have to come in anyway, but that's something that needed addressing even before the pandemic).

All the ridiculous name calling needs to stop, absolutely one hundred percent.

No I don’t think so.
However I’m shocked by how many people have it right now!

A few weeks ago myself and a few other colleagues got it and I thought that was a lot.

Now 75% of my colleagues have it and apart from a couple who are still negative the only ones left are those that have had it over the past few weeks and aren’t testing because it’s been less than 90 days.

@HesterShaw1

Don't be so fucking ridiculous.

Bullshit like this makes me really angry.

Really? You hide it so well 😉😆

Tell that to my fit and healthy friend who narrowly avoided being hospitalised or the little girl I know who now has really poorly controlled asthma after her mild case of omicron.

These "tell that" posts are so unutterably tedious.

[quote Delatron]@rhizobium just preempting the usual on here who don’t like to acknowledge or talk about natural immunity.

That’s clearly what the government are going for now. And yes you can be triple vaccinated and still catch it a few times. Everyone’s immune systems are different but as a population this is not a novel virus any more and we are building some immunity.

Catching omicron (after having vaccinations) seems to give good immunity but there will be people still vulnerable to the new strain. Omicron provides good immunity to delta but not the other way round. So you have unlock people who get delta then omicron a month later. Doesn’t mean they are not building some immunity though.

We have the most cases we have ever had i think and the government is removing restrictions. That tells you everything you need to know about their strategy and no there won’t be a middle ground. Not if that involves any ‘restrictions’ on people’s lives..[/quote]
But no one on this thread has denied this? I see this claim all the time on MN ("NATURAL IMMUNITY IS BEING CENSORED") but no-one actually saying it.

The governemnt & those that advise have certainly never claimed an infection does not result in some degree of immunity, and indeed this is something the ONS have been tracking as well as other studies.

@TalkToTheHand123

Covis cases on a rapid rise, heading towards 100,000 daily cases. Are we heading for another lockdown?

Nope, it’s generally pretty mild with the vaccines in place.

I'm very cross about it

Have you always infantilised your Mum?

Do you really really think the exponential growth of the initial outbreak would have subsided spontaneously?

Or that the reductions in case numbers that followed a week or so after tightening of restrictions were all coincidence?

Or that jobs, economy, mental health blah blah blah would have been just fine and dandy if the exponential growth had been allowed to continue?

I have 3 major construction projects which were doing ok despite covid stuff, which are now facing delays because of the number of site operatives off sick with covid. Not isolating, not being forced off, but actually too unwell to be able to work. Most of these subcontractors are self employed so if they don’t work they don’t get paid. The contractor faces a penalty for any delay, so it’s not as if people can say “ahh, that’s just people being lazy” People want to call it minor and throw about statistics but when you are talking about high numbers of infections, if even a small percentage of those can’t work, that affects the economy.

There won’t be any further lockdowns because even if the science showed it was necessary, people just want to ignore that and bleat about their ‘uman rights, and flex bravado that they wont be following no lockdown.

Largely this is because of government failing in managing the previous lockdowns and not doing the other things they should have done in tandem with those periods of suppression. People are weary of the whole thing and are willing for others to sacrifice things so life can go back to normal. It’s a shitty situation but there we are.

I wouldn’t support a further lockdown in the way have been used before (but if they did, I’d follow the rules) But I would support a month long lockdown if the government also put in place the things they should have done before. Closed borders, mass testing, proper quarantine and isolation. If I thought it could eradicate it from the U.K., with quarantine for anyone coming in. That’s expensive, and people don’t want it, and it would never happen anyway.

In the meantime, pushing vaccinations, keeping up with other mitigations such as improved ventilation and distancing where appropriate would help in this situation. But, they won’t do that either because for some reason people are against these really easy fixes.

No

Do you really really think the exponential growth of the initial outbreak would have subsided spontaneously?

Yes! Of course. I would say it did.

@ancientgran

My children and I all had covid in february. Two of us were very very ill and one was totally fine (not the vaccinated one).

Vaccination doesnt stop you getting it. It doesnt stop you becoming ill.

It will stop you, in most cases, from needing to be hospitalised. And that's the whole point.

Get vaccinated. You wont end up in hospital. We dont need more bloody lockdowns which most cannot afford.

The govt are unlikely to call for another lockdown. Removing mitigations is a big mistake and people shouting ‘we have to learn to live with the virus’ is another way of saying ‘ignore it’. High infection levels is creating a huge problem for workplaces and education. And those who are CEV must be finding it difficult to live their daily lives. We’re also running the risk of developing new variants.

@REP22

I don't think there will be another imminent lockdown, but I wish there would be. Last week, my 80-year-old mum, who is CV because she's had cancer twice, having kept safe for two years, was persuaded to go on an organised holiday (here in the UK) with a group of friends (all older than her). ALL of them have now got the virus, my mum quite badly, all have been triple-vaccinated.

I'm very cross about it as well as worried and distressed.

But I suppose we'll have to wait and see what develops with this new BA.2 variant. The only predictable thing about it is that it's unpredictable.

As sad as it is for your mum, lots of people in her age bracket have suffered hugely due to enforced isolations as a result of COVID.

There's no answer that will make everyone happy - and lockdown certainly isn't the easy answer some people make it out to be.

You wish. I'm sure some morbid people get excited at the thought.

No!
Lockdown was to prevent people ending up in hospital and hospitals being overwhelmed and people dying.

You wish. I'm sure some morbid people get excited at the thought.

I hate opinions like this that try and shut people down from discussing things.

The whole way through if you even mentioned the word lockdown you were accused of loving them and wanting them to continue forever to try and silence anyone who agreed with the restrictions.

Go away and lock yourself in, if you so desire.

Removing mitigations is a big mistake and people shouting ‘we have to learn to live with the virus’ is another way of saying ‘ignore it’

No it's not.

Of course we need to learn to live with it. What option is there?

But we can do that while doing our best to support the most vulnerable, and not by imposing restrictions. We need to make sure the CEV have access to antivirals (which as I've learned from personal experience over the past week we do not, despite being reassured we do), that we have access to free testing, and that all employees are eligible for sick pay.

I say this as one of the CEV people you refer to. And one who is incredibly grateful for all the sacrifices that have been made to protect the vulnerable for two years, but who also thinks that you've sacrificed enough, now.