On course for another lockdown?

[TalkToTheHand123]

Covis cases on a rapid rise, heading towards 100,000 daily cases. Are we heading for another lockdown?

We’ll only see another lockdown if the NHS becomes overrun, that doesn’t look likely at the moment.

@REP22

I don't think there will be another imminent lockdown, but I wish there would be. Last week, my 80-year-old mum, who is CV because she's had cancer twice, having kept safe for two years, was persuaded to go on an organised holiday (here in the UK) with a group of friends (all older than her). ALL of them have now got the virus, my mum quite badly, all have been triple-vaccinated.

I'm very cross about it as well as worried and distressed.

But I suppose we'll have to wait and see what develops with this new BA.2 variant. The only predictable thing about it is that it's unpredictable.

Hope your mum has a speedy recovery

It’s so tough though, I know my grandma who is 81 really really struggled with lockdown because she felt like it was wasting the years she had left (also CV) even though it was of course necessary. I imagine it must be extremely hard to potentially accept ‘no holidays ever again, realistically for the rest of my life’ for those in their 80s, so I can understand why some have taken the risk, even though it may seem silly and dangerous to others.

@IcedPurple

Not the PP, but things like providing funding for people to self-isolate if they have COVID would be be a start.

A "start"?

And what's the end game?

Weird terminology @IcedPurple, the "end game" would be getting through high case numbers whilst minimising adverse outcomes (which yes includes economic as well as health).

As I said, one measure that could be considered is funding people through self-isolation, instead of just recommending it and further widening the gap between rich and poor.

@REP22

I don't think there will be another imminent lockdown, but I wish there would be. Last week, my 80-year-old mum, who is CV because she's had cancer twice, having kept safe for two years, was persuaded to go on an organised holiday (here in the UK) with a group of friends (all older than her). ALL of them have now got the virus, my mum quite badly, all have been triple-vaccinated.

I'm very cross about it as well as worried and distressed.

But I suppose we'll have to wait and see what develops with this new BA.2 variant. The only predictable thing about it is that it's unpredictable.

Self definition of cv?

If she was c. She sound have been quadruple vaccinated

My df is 82. Has multiple cancers, undergoing remote chemo. No thyroid

Quadruple vaccinated

He is no longer classed as required to take any additional measures.

We need high infection to maintain a good level of immunity .
some health guy on radio yesterday death rate is now less than flu would be .

Why isn't it okay to question if people are happy (content maybe a better word?) to have people die, but it's seemingly fine to say people are happy to live in lockdown forever, with accusations of being "fanatic", "lockdown lovers", "addicted" and gleeful?

@kittensinthekitchen

Where did I say it was? Are you confusing me with someone else?

show me a link for the hospital figures

[quote BeforeGodAndAllTheFish]@Cornettoninja

My business was decimated by the lockdowns. My kids are now on free school meals. I'm working every hour I can to rebuild a previously successful business. I think I'm in the category of people who are absolutely allowed to ferociously oppose another lockdown, especially when half the people wanting it are only after the drama it brings.

It's done. Get vaccinated.[/quote]
I've been vaccinated, had 3 jabs in fact. I'm currently lying on the sofa, for the last 3 weeks I've gone from bed to sofa, even getting dressed exhausts me let alone doing anything in the house and I don't know when I'll be back at work.

I wasn't worried about getting covid, I'd had the jabs, everyone told me how mild it is now. I've never felt so ill in my life, I've had a bad case of flu twice in my life and this is on a whole different level.

Getting vaccinated isn't as much protection as we think.

Weird terminology @IcedPurple, the "end game" would be getting through high case numbers whilst minimising adverse outcomes (which yes includes economic as well as health).

It's not weird terminology at all.

How do you define 'high case numbers'? 'Cases' in themselves don't really matter.

You said funding self-isolation is a 'start'. So what else do you think needs to be done? How long do you think it needs to be done? There are always going to be 'spikes', 'cases', and 'variants'.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

even the data is not being updated

[quote Teateaandmoretea]@EthelTheAardvark no lockdowns don’t work. They shift the curve a bit in the short term but in the long term they don’t stop covid.[/quote]
It was about the pressure on the NHS to include ambulances for other things. So proving it yourself there.

@TypicaIMe

Just noticing you say it was vile for someone to say they felt some were happy to allow people to die, whilst not appearing to have an issue with similarly vile comments being made about people who aren't strictly anti-lockdown or anti-mitigation.

Of course, it was just an observation, and on reflection I'm sure you actually do have an issue with these types of comments being made.

Oh bugger off with thjs lockdown lark. No. We won't be. Ever! End of story

@linerforlife

There will not be a lockdown. More deaths have been caused from lack of access to routine care during the pandemic than by covid itself. The government is accountable for this. Another lockdown will not happen.

Agree. But lack of access to routine care was caused by staff and resources being diverted to those actively dying of covid coming in. The point to limit the amount of people getting covid was also to keep the rest of the NHS running as well as the country. There wasn’t a choice, it was a battle triage situation.

No o don’t think they’ll be another lockdown. We’re pretending it’s over and people are back to walking out of a service station toiles with our washing their hands and touching the screen at McD’s then eating their burger

I don't think we are heading for another lockdown but I also don't think that 1065 deaths in the last week can be considered as 'few'.

@IcedPurple

Weird terminology @IcedPurple, the "end game" would be getting through high case numbers whilst minimising adverse outcomes (which yes includes economic as well as health).

It's not weird terminology at all.

How do you define 'high case numbers'? 'Cases' in themselves don't really matter.

You said funding self-isolation is a 'start'. So what else do you think needs to be done? How long do you think it needs to be done? There are always going to be 'spikes', 'cases', and 'variants'.

You said funding self-isolation is a 'start'. So what else do you think needs to be done? How long do you think it needs to be done? There are always going to be 'spikes', 'cases', and 'variants'.

Actually, I said it was one measure that could be considered, in the context of rising cases and people suggesting lockdown, which is the far extreme end of all kinds of suppression measures.

Other things would be contintinuing to fund the ONS survey and Zoe study, given that they provide us with decent data on how cases are translating to other outcomes, and allow tracking of the mutation rate and emergence of new variants.

It's not a situation where you have to choose between no measures and full on lockdown.

High case numbers don’t matter. The government is not throwing any more money at this and people need to accept this. There will be no return to masks and free testing. Yes Covid will circulate continually.

I think the vaccines have been great at preventing serious disease. The government may now have accepted we need to build up some natural immunity. And I know people hate that word and deny it exists in relation to Covid (making it strangely different to most other illnesses). And I know you can get different variants. But eventually we will all be exposed over and over again and we will develop some immunity. We can’t keep vaccinating every 4 months!

There will be no funded self isolation. It will be treated like every other illness from now on whether you like it or not!

Don't be so fucking ridiculous.

Bullshit like this makes me really angry.

@Delatron

High case numbers don’t matter. The government is not throwing any more money at this and people need to accept this. There will be no return to masks and free testing. Yes Covid will circulate continually.

I think the vaccines have been great at preventing serious disease. The government may now have accepted we need to build up some natural immunity. And I know people hate that word and deny it exists in relation to Covid (making it strangely different to most other illnesses). And I know you can get different variants. But eventually we will all be exposed over and over again and we will develop some immunity. We can’t keep vaccinating every 4 months!

And I know people hate that word and deny it exists in relation to Covid

We can’t keep vaccinating every 4 months!

Who is denying the idea of immunity post infection? Who is saying the people should be vaccinated every 4 months?

These threads very quickly descend into the two extreme ends and there seems to be no room for nuance.

@Delatron

High case numbers don’t matter. The government is not throwing any more money at this and people need to accept this. There will be no return to masks and free testing. Yes Covid will circulate continually.

I think the vaccines have been great at preventing serious disease. The government may now have accepted we need to build up some natural immunity. And I know people hate that word and deny it exists in relation to Covid (making it strangely different to most other illnesses). And I know you can get different variants. But eventually we will all be exposed over and over again and we will develop some immunity. We can’t keep vaccinating every 4 months!

I've had 3 vaccinations and had covid previously. I've still been very unwell for 3 weeks. I've had antibody test and I definitely have antibodies from the jabs and the infection (I don't know how they know where the antibodies come from but apparently they do) but I'm still ill.

We’re pretending it’s over and people are back to walking out of a service station toiles with our washing their hands and touching the screen at McD’s then eating their burger

Doing that might prevent stomach bugs.

DH has been in hospital for a week with a covid lung infection after meeting people for the first time without a mask. I caught it from him and was unwell for 4 days, been negative for a week, both triple jabbed. It's still a lottery as to how ill you'll be.

I'm visiting him daily to keep his spirits up, have to wear full PPE and I'm pretty exhausted.

No way.
Nobody even wears masks on buses where I live.

It's widely accepted that excess deaths the last couple of months have been in line with previous winters.

Lockdown indeed. Don't talk rubbish.