Crazy shi*t people say about Covid and vaccines

[zafferana]

Tradesman comes to my house once a year and I've got to know him moderately well over the years as we always chat about holidays and our kids and stuff like that. Yesterday though I told him we're going away at half term and he told me the following:

*he knows a bloke who works for AstraZeneca who told him that he'd never get the vaccine and that he shouldn't either and that anyone who did was mad;

*he also knows someone who can get him an NHS vaccine pass for £500 and if he gets desperate enough for a holiday that's what he's going to do;

*he thinks it's very suspicious that the govt were encouraging everyone to get vaccinated and wonders why they did that;

*that he had a bad flu in December and was in bed for 10 days with it, but he didn't lose his taste and smell and never had a cough, so it definitely wasn't Covid, but he didn't test, because it was flu and he's had flu before, so he knows what it feels like and that's definitely what it was;

*that he's hoping that next year all the restrictions around the un-vaccinated will be lifted as he's pinning his hopes on finally being able to go skiing again in 2023.

This is a guy who LOVES to go skiing with his mates, who told me about a miserable UK glamping holiday he and his family had in the pouring rain last summer and how shit it was, yet he's prepared to keep doing that rather than get vaccinated. I wished him good luck. He asked me not to tell him about any holidays I'm going on 🤣🤣🤣

@Hiheyho yes they are both really on it. Mil a bit more defeatist as she doesn’t have much faith in been seen soon. But Sil didn’t have her booster and forfeited her holiday in Spain this week, which she had paid for, as she would have needed to have had a vaccine in a certain amount of days to have gone. She’s at uni and said she can’t risk being that ill while she trying to do her dissertation.

@Veryvversatile

he also knows someone who can get him an NHS vaccine pass for £500 and if he gets desperate enough for a holiday that's what he's going to do;

What is so crazy about that? Some people do not want the vaccines, but do want to travel.

People pay anything from £100-2000 for the passes. I know many people who have. Even those who have paid for their booster as well to be up to date.

What is crazy though is, I have a group of friends currently in Chamonix, they all have bought their passes and so far so good. They were hesitant at first, being in France where they're very strict, but 3 days on and they are having a blast with no hiccups. Oh, and even crazier is that one of them didn't even have to purchase his. He had a hacker friend arrange it for him for free.

My partner isn't vaccinated (well has only had 1) and through him and his friends, I have been made aware of some remarkable work arounds to obtaining a Covid pass without vaccination.

You're writing this like it's a good thing?

@Itsnotover

Obviously there are things that go wrong with medicine but for the most part I doubt most of us would be without it and things improve all the time.

In the last few years I have known 4 people have success with IVF.

That's not really the point people are making I don't think.

Many people prefer to wait a time before trying something like a new drug. It's after a drug or medical device has been in use for a few years that problems tend to become evident. Mesh, breast implants, etc.

So if possible it can be best to only use new things where there is a really clear benefit to the individual over whatever other treatments are available.

Arguably covid is serious enough that it might be worth the risk of mass uptake even over something that was under a lot of pressures to be produced quickly. Especially as people were told that it was to protect the group. But it's a lot less clear for individuals who are low risk - it could be a very sensible for low a low risk person, a kid for example, to wait and see. Especially now that we know its not as effective as we hoped at preventing transmission, that changes the weighting of individual vs group decision making.

Many people prefer to wait a time before trying something like a new drug.

That makes no sense in the case of the covid vaccine. There will always be people who react badly to any medicine but you have to accept that without vaccines we couldn't have got out of these lockdowns.

One of my neighbours said that the clouds are fake, they're actually chem trails and that's where covid comes from. And when you get put on a ventilator they kill you. And that the vaccine will kill millions.

Also, according to a scientist that I heard talking about this on radio 4, problems with new vaccines usually become evident very quickly.

he knows a bloke who works for AstraZeneca who told him that he'd never get the vaccine and that he shouldn't either and that anyone who did was mad

I genuinely know someone who works for them. She says not to get the jab. She's an anti vaxxer. God knows why she has that job!

I know someone who says they won't have the jab as they want the government to have their info. Whilst having loads of NHS treatment for an ongoing issue. They can't see the link.

I am very pro vaccine, but I can see that the mainstream media and social media is very one- sided in approach to reporting anything covid related

I think this has been a major issue, if genuine concerns are not being addressed then people will search for answers which are then usually found in deep, dark corners. Anyone stepping off the right path is shut down and discussions closed, with a few accusations of anti-vax and covid denier thrown in. This has actually been a fairly dangerous approach.

@XenoBitch

I have heard more bonkers things from pro-vaccine people. Like, you will end up in ICU if you are unvaccinated and catch Covid. Get told that all the time.

People will say bonkers things about anything, exaggerating the risk of COVID is just one of them.

I would say the level of misinformation regarding severity of COVID is far far lower than that of misinformation that minimises/denies it or surrounding vaccination.

@Whitefire

I am very pro vaccine, but I can see that the mainstream media and social media is very one- sided in approach to reporting anything covid related

I think this has been a major issue, if genuine concerns are not being addressed then people will search for answers which are then usually found in deep, dark corners. Anyone stepping off the right path is shut down and discussions closed, with a few accusations of anti-vax and covid denier thrown in. This has actually been a fairly dangerous approach.

Again - I really don't see this.

Concerns are being addressed, very publicly, regarding vaccine side effects, effectiveness, benefits NPIs etc.

What specifically do you think is not being addressed? Do you have any names of people with evidence based points who have "stepped of the right path" and had their discussion censored?

As I say a lot on threads, there are plenty of scientists who put forward credible disagreements with various policies and disagree with "the mainstream". They speak freely and widely, have their opinions published etc.

In contrast, those who spread actual misinformation (Malone, McCullough, Yeadon, HART, FLCCC), are increasingly being deplatformed, which is an entirely different scenario. It's just not helpful and doesn't add to the discussion in any meaningful way.

The vax/ Aids thing got legs because an Australian vaccine being trialled was giving people false positives. It got scrapped apparently.

The great reset thing is probably the worst I've heard. Just why for a start and I always ask...so you mean to tell me that every person of power in every country are all in cahoots to ruin the whole world yes? WHY? Tell me what the goal is....funnily enough I've not had an answer.
I work with the public so I'm subjected to allsorts of bizarre theories and crazy shit.

I very recently had a cough and then got unwell with it and had a few days off work. (It wasn't Covid.)

Someone I know well who is very anti-vax, anti-Covid asked me yesterday if I'd had all my Covid jabs. When I said yes, he said that's why I had that cough. He said that everyone who's had all their jabs is getting ill with a cough.

@Helloninjas

I know more people with vaccine injuries then covid after effects, honestly I don’t think the people on the OP are bonkers.

What colour is the sky on your world?

@MissConductUS what a silly comment. As you can see from my follow up I’ve said the people very close to me who have had reactions.

@Wellbythebloodyhell

Tonight's offering - the story behind the Handmaid's tale will become a reality as all those who have been vaccinated will be unable to have children, it will be down to those who decided against the vaccine to populate society

If the world's masters wanted to engineer a future population in this way, do you think they would aim to narrow down to those who rebelled against general governmental recommendations and were very pro-individual rights, or those who followed their advice and recognised connections and vulnerabilities within society?

As I say a lot on threads, there are plenty of scientists who put forward credible disagreements with various policies and disagree with "the mainstream". They speak freely and widely, have their opinions published etc.

That's interesting @Ollyoxenfree. Who are the scientists you'd say are putting forward credible disagreements and do you have any good links you could share? Would like to look at what they're saying as it's always good to hear both sides of an argument.

@LightSpeeds

I very recently had a cough and then got unwell with it and had a few days off work. (It wasn't Covid.)

Someone I know well who is very anti-vax, anti-Covid asked me yesterday if I'd had all my Covid jabs. When I said yes, he said that's why I had that cough. He said that everyone who's had all their jabs is getting ill with a cough.

The anti vaxxer I know said the same thing. He caught covid himself and was really ill in bed for a long time. He has convinced himself that he’d be dead if he’d had the vaccine. So idiotic.

@nojudgementhere

As I say a lot on threads, there are plenty of scientists who put forward credible disagreements with various policies and disagree with "the mainstream". They speak freely and widely, have their opinions published etc.

That's interesting @Ollyoxenfree. Who are the scientists you'd say are putting forward credible disagreements and do you have any good links you could share? Would like to look at what they're saying as it's always good to hear both sides of an argument.

Yes, who are these scientists? They are never named.

@CorrBlimeyGG the HIV thing probably came about because of the vaccine Queensland (australia) was developing, it was producing positive test results for HIV, not that people actually had HIV but was abandoned because of that.

I guess a lot of the nonsense online is borne out of half truths twisted to fit an anti vax narrative.

So I was speaking in a more general sense @nojudgementhere, in terms of scientific censorship, however I appreciate my post was worded appallingly Regarding vaccination, credible scientists pretty much unanimously agree with the current guidance in the UK of it being recommended for all over 12s.

I was referring to the idea if a scientist has an argument against the "mainstream" (be it HRT, a vitamin for some health condition, vaccination of a certain group), if it is evidence based, then their views are generally respected and add to the current state of evidence.

When you do see someone who's views are not taken seriously, or their paper is retracted or they are deplatformed or whatever, it's easy to think "oh it's because he's going against government/big pharma", but in reality it is because they are talking nonsense not based in any kind of robust evidence.

[quote beingsunny]@CorrBlimeyGG the HIV thing probably came about because of the vaccine Queensland (australia) was developing, it was producing positive test results for HIV, not that people actually had HIV but was abandoned because of that.

I guess a lot of the nonsense online is borne out of half truths twisted to fit an anti vax narrative.[/quote]
Yes - and then the fans were flamed by a recent discovery of a new more virulent, highly transmissble strain of HIV in Europe.

Just another one to add the correlation=/=causation toolbox.

@Wellbythebloodyhell

Yeah I've heard a few weird ones, one family member very insistent I (and everyone else who's been vaccinated) will be dead within a few years, not to worry though she will help bring my DC up in my absence 🙄

She's confident society will still be running just fine once most people have died then?

I don’t know anyone who has a fake vaccine record but I don’t doubt for a second that it is possible to get one so I wouldn’t call that “crazy shit”.

@XenoBitch

I have heard more bonkers things from pro-vaccine people. Like, you will end up in ICU if you are unvaccinated and catch Covid. Get told that all the time.

It's not true though. They say you are more likely to end up in ICU, not you will.

My window cleaner told me that 5G activated something in the vaccine which CAUSES Coronavirus to multiply in your body. He told me tin foil would stop 5G and showed my the foil lining his cap. I said well do you have to wear your hat all the time then? He said only when he's window cleaning. I said aren't you worried you'll get struck by lightning with foil on your head up a ladder. He said the ladder would ground him.